Barbara Kates and Douglas Nye

Barbara Kates (BK) and Doug Nye (DN) introduce themselves and share why they wanted to participate in this conversation; DN is always up for an adventure, they discuss Tanzania and share stories from time spent there; they discuss their religious faiths, BK is Jewish and DN is Christian. BK shares about experience with Wabanaki REACH organization

BK reads DN's bio, they discuss Back-to-the-land movement, DN doesn't believe in government, but is big in local community and history.

BK shares about parents and husband having biggest influences on her life. DN asserts being "self-referential" and finding influence in books from Nearings, Thoreau, and influenced by a friend to not be like him, sharing a story about his struggles, leading towards sobriety and becoming saved through Christianity.

BK feels touched by what DN is saying, relates current events of Israel and Gaza, DN relates to Native Americans and the experience of coming from "broken people." DN doesn't belief in government, likes bringing people together.

Participants discuss personal political values, DN describes being in two different camps, BK describes being perceived as far to the left, pragmatic, votes for lesser of two evils. BK shares about grandchildren and future generations. DN talks about issues, approaches to problem solving.

BK and DN discuss their worries for grandchildren, hopes for the future.