Corky Jones and David Senter

00:06 My name is David Senter. I'm 67 years old. This is September 17th, 2015. We're at the fourth Presbyterian Church in Chicago, and I'm here with Corky Jones my best friend in the world.

00:26 My name is Corky Jones age is 84 years young the date is September 17th and 2015 and locations at the fourth Presbyterian Church here in Chicago.

00:41 And the relationship is just David and I has goes back a long time and worked really true France. You're lucky to have one good friend in life. They say David sander definitely is mine.

00:57 So one thing before y'all get going I just want to ask.

01:07 Corky this is a great opportunity for us to

01:12 Reflect on the 40 years that we've known each other and been friends at about 2, we start off and you tell a little bit about your family and of where you grew up and farm from Brownville, Nebraska and

01:34 I'm the third generation farmer there is but one of my three boys are in the farming operation with me and then they there's three of those and then the grandson is blaming. He's a 5th generation farmer there in Southeast Nebraska started out with when I come back out of service as in Korea for 4 years or during the Korean war vets that I started farming and working off the farm just to be with my dad and started so

02:07 That was the starting once you get to the dirt squeezed up between your toes and I call that farming it's just there and it's you're never going to get rid of it David. That's right. And I grew up on a 4th generation Farm in Texas. And you know how I like my first memories as a child was a going to the field with my mother and dad and play an under shade tree or have me to pick up for a while. They was working in the field and or else I'd be riding on Dad's knee on the tractor her mother's laugh. So you don't want to reflect back. I was I was learning to be a farmer and Randy my first farm when I was fifteen and so but a lot of on-the-job experience before I rented that first Farm, I graduated out of high school and 49 and Farms a couple years before I went in the service they had and I can remember we had

03:07 John Deere B with an I mean it that was the horse but Dad went to farm sale and come home with a John Deere a and what seemed to me like I could Farm the whole world with a tractor this big and it's powerful and so, you know any you set your goals. I'm going to plow this much. I'm going to be to this post over here. When I quit tonight. I was doing this with the John Deere's, you know, the old hand clutch and they had the spark plugs come out of each side, and I thought if I make it to that post I can't stop to do anything and I've got to have relief here somewhere, but I can do that. I'll just stand out here stand out on the axle and Let It Go.

03:52 I did that and was doing good till the stream came back and hit the spark plug.

03:59 I didn't care whether we made it to the post or not. I'm not sure how many how many times that I've thought about that and say there's goals to set that you don't maybe quite make and their reasons for it. Well and it actually was a blessing in life right there. Yeah, you know, I drove a Poppin Johnny as we called him but a John Deere with a hand clutch and I wasn't strong enough to engage the clutch. So I put my foot on it and I could snap it in but I couldn't stop it. And so my dad just showed me how to turn the gas off and just kill the engine and that's how I would stop the tractor cuz I couldn't disengage dip the clutch, but I think I was six at that time. I was nine so I could I have the that's how I engage the clutch. I got a hold on the steering wheel heat up with your foot. Kick it in there if I could snap it back, but I remember my dad really getting chewed up by my mother cuz she looked up and hears this nine-year-old kid with a disk great big.

04:59 8 foot white coming through the field and nobody around but me I thought was kind of funny but that wasn't laughing. So anyhow, huge mistake that I made as a child cuz we still haven't picked cotton and I'd ride on mother or Dad's cotton sack through the field my display around but I started bugging. My dad said I think I'm big enough pick cotton. I want a sack.

05:29 Hey, this wouldn't so day after day. So finally one day just stopped went to the house. Got a tow sack. We call them burlap bag made me a shoulder strap. So I get out there man. This is great. I'm picking cotton just going on there.

05:48 That's what you're doing. Really good job. So in about 20-30 minutes it got old and I was ready to go back under the tree. Dad said, you know know you was right. You are big enough to pick cotton but I keep thinking God and that whole rest of the year. I was thinking I could have got by this whole year just playing around if I kept my mouth shut to go to be a fast thinker David. I know I was thinking the other day when we first met I mean, what would I cuff deal? I mean, I've never heard of David sander with remember but here in about the tractor case and everything and I would do something like that, you know, and you know,

06:38 The farm and not the protest but you know during the 70s when you start figuring out and I figured out I will never be able to buy any land and make a living for the family. And so we have to do something to change this policy because I think I'm a pretty good farmer, but it's just not going to work. And so what are you do? I mean, how do you go protest? Well tractor was our tools of the trade so, you know off down the road to the county courthouse and then the state capitals in Washington DC and took a while to get to Washington DC but we all started at the state capitals. I can remember that part of it and then when we did make it to work today see there was people that I thought well not there come fare from Texas and I'm just from the Braska, you know, they had to go right by me somewhere because their eyelid that line of tractors

07:38 Lincoln Nebraska in the Washington DC there's four different lines of it and it was all for the same thing. There is no arguments about what we were going to do. We really didn't know what we were going to do. We all thought probably when we telling the story and what really has to happen that they didn't even do that. That's that's what they were elected for unless they were elected for his right? Yeah. I remember our good friend Otis Chapman from Arkansas when we went to Washington. He said well said his wife asked how long you going to be there? And he says I think I'd better pack.

08:15 Two pair of overalls cuz said surely we can finish this up until three days. I sat there and I remember Otis real well, I remember when we finally made it into work. Did you see nav was surrounded the tractors and held us captive for the mall in on them all and here come the Mounted Police and my good friend George Jenner you met George and over the time and that we were all lined up there. And then I mean to have the Capitol Police had SWAT teams. They had Mounted Police had them on motorcycles and everything and George stood there but me and then he just kept walking right toward this horse with this mounted policeman on it. You know, I had them a smile on the Baton off to the side and

09:00 Walked up at that horse's nose, and he's looked up this cop on it. And he said so, you know, there's one thing I just don't understand in this part of the country. Why is there so many more horses asses than there are horses. I thought this is it. Yeah. Yeah and we were escaping we've been Chase we've been pushed and shoved now. It's time we're going to get beat in the butt through Steely eyes actually ended up David. If you remember every one of those policemen, they honored us they honored us and every time when we did you start to do anything that they would with open arms and then Well, you ended up going there for our representative, but I mean every time I would go back then Safeway on you guys coming back with the masses because they were they were respected that interesting while we was camped out in Washington with their tractors Sunday afternoons. We take kids for tractor rides up and down the mall radio.

10:00 Did advertise it and they had a deal take a farmer to Sunday lunch and farmers are just lying up in these people to just drive by and take we want to or 1 or 4 and I just didn't know why they's going to know who's home and some was home cooked meals some they went to restaurants, but just meeting the general public who was all supportive of what the farmers morning. It's just a fair price in The Market Place another one of your members that I've got. You know, we got that 2 foot of snow in Washington DC but we were shoveling snow and everything else. We went out and got nurses with the tractors and haul them in so they could work and we can all relief police and firemen and everybody and my friend of mine was on the tractor k280 strike really such a quick quick. We've got a call out in the country here and give the street number and everything is go you got to go get this person.

11:00 Well, I got there and there's this lady ready to have a child. So, you know, well, there isn't any room this tractor cab for nurses and everybody so they just him and they slayed it is needed to be the hospital. I gets going down the road the only go so fast still got two foot of snow half the time and then just grown since gay Tipp City. Oh no. Oh, no, not yet, but their stories like that, but it really it will want anyting to laugh at it was serious, you know, but I guess when we we look at the American agriculture movement in with the bonding together and what we were doing and what we're trying to do and what was needed to be done David, we could go a long long time and talk for hours. But do you know who could be Blended right end of where we're at today with Farm Aid. I mean people actually what you see in Farm Aid

11:57 I suggest an extension the distal extension of what we got was American agriculture movement, but it's a new group. It's a new group. I wants told Willie, you know that I do after I met him pretty good and well, you just meet Willie wants and you met him good but I said, you know Willie I really appreciate working with you. I really do cuz we talkin about farm farm policies and things that need to happen and I can probably site some of that stuff and maybe a little sharpen you can but for some reason you draw a lot bigger crowds. He had you talking about willy willy testified before Congress and a few days later. I know you was with we was with Willie out and I think it's Colorado Springs, but there was a press conference.

12:47 And so one of the members of the press they ask Willie said Willie. What did you tell Congress when you testified and Willie said Sarah minute, he looks over Corky and says Corky, you tell him what? I told him and say it is started quoting exactly what Willie and said in his testimony was like, well Willy, I remember it real well cuz you're sitting right on the front line to send a text committee when you testified and you said, you know, I was here two years ago telling you people something bad wrong out in the country that it needed fixing and you are the people licking supposed to be here to fix it, but you hadn't done that and I'll tell you if you work for me. I'd fire your assets. It was a dead silence there, but that's not the kind of person who it was

13:47 Not doing their job, you know, we've got a lot of stories from road trips across the country. I met at the United traveled smokes every state in this nation speaking on I guess shoes and one in particular that I'll never forget is we was leaving Louisiana heading towards Dimmitt, Texas and it's almost to New Mexico.

14:14 And no was Screech along there down the Interstate 20.

14:20 And all of a sudden behind my old blue Suburban, there's just a blue smoke Haze covering the highway. I can remember because I tried to tell you it's just the vapor coming instead of these wouldn't on my route seems like everything's good, you know, babe letting the transmission up on mine.

14:39 Suburban and so we

14:42 Pour oil in it get it off the highway get it to this little town. But yeah, there's a transmission shop here, you know, so we get it to this transmission shop where we're supposed to be in West Texas the next day.

14:56 So this guy says, you know, this is terminal and he says it's probably going to cost thousand twelve hundred dollars $1,500 to fix this transmission and I look at Corky and he looks at me and I said how much room do you have left on your credit card? And he says, I don't know. I've got a little and ice. Will I've got a little on mine and we started digging for cash. And so we finally figured out we could put all of her.

15:21 Resources together and get my Suburban fixed, but then we had to rent a car to go. Well, this guy said right out on the edge of town.

15:33 They rent cars out there. So you tell a little bit about his rent in that car where we go out to this place and it's just a little kind of a shock Warehouse in a bunch of trees and out through these trees are cars are different makes and kinds just sitting there. Nothing polished up not listen to anything looking too good. So we went to ask this guy says well and what the what do you have with it says this than anything you want to pick out of there and then we'll how much it's going to cost us. If I recall I said $200 hundred hundred dollars. What which ones would you pick up some stuff better tires come over for a little video stop and get one.

16:11 And so we did.

16:13 So we're going down the road clear to Dumas and that's where we was headed across, Texas.

16:26 Registration. What are we here? Believe it had Texas plates on it in Louisiana inspection Louisiana inspection sticker on it and no paper in and saying who this car was required. It was a near thing to do here. We've got the national president and then I'd wear in a stolen car the national president of AA executive director screeching across Texas. So I think maybe the Lord went with us a lot of trips and we certainly do the speed limit on that trip a little trip across the ocean over to get negotiations back in the 80s to tell us about lots of things and you due to lots of happenings that has happened over the years and they stick out but that might not be my number one, but it's close to it at the general.

17:26 Events on tariffs and trade in and the freedom to Farmville and and so I said when monks America nag and maybe a couple other organizations are so would you go to Geneva Ave. We can gather the money to send you and either way you mean to the arrangements and they said yeah. Well, I will go if I've got a spot at the table if I've got a mic if I'm just going to go and say well I was there in the rafters why I know I'm not going to go will assure you that you will have a table and you'll have a mic and they did and this time why there's I think 20 23 countries different countries that we had representatives there and course United States with Clayton yard. There was number one since we're important that gas more of that sell than some of the others. But anyhow, I had these underlain a man by the name of

18:26 I'm through it cuz Clayton ya later and I we never he was from Nebraska but that's the only thing we ever agreed on is just he's had lousy without looks and that will ease continue to cause the problems that we were trying to correct and he was going to turn you into just be a backing of it. Anyhow, I it started off in the gym turn got up there. This is all right, when he's from the United States here and wait wait American doll that lived. Our prices are for our commodity share that we're trading as if it's it's got to be worldwide Market equipment levels in our Farmers realize too that they just got to tighten their belts and they're not all going to make it but that's they understand that you know, and so did I wait wait wait just a minute here and I looked and nobody else was doing anything there's 20. So I think I ate twenty-three countries either one or two guys Dirty Mike, but it cost was the all these little

19:26 About the size of a phone booth that they had the interpreters for each one of us. And anyhow, I said that that back something that's not accurate telling these people. That's what's going to work message. I'm putting together here that that can't beat you got to be in existence and stay in existence and

19:53 Nobody said word and Glenda James Roday just pause and then he started out well and in the farmers know that there's going to be a bunch of them go because I got to be more efficient and I just got to tighten the belts and I know they're just too many farmers.

20:07 And I interrupted one more time passes. If you all listen to this garbage here that this man saying that he's from my country. I said, I'm from the middle of the United States state Nebraska got a family farm there and I can tell you there's a problem in America and it's because we've had failing policies and farm policies and trade policies and if you all listen to this represent their supposed to be representing me, but he hasn't

20:34 Your country is going to be doing the same damn thing. You're going to lose your financial credibility. Not just in the place it too, but your country is going to suffer.

20:45 And I looked and there was no rest taking or nothing you just started off but it was a different speech and every time I found it look like I just leaned toward the mic with everybody just it just fall like whistling in Hen House and nobody would say anything, you know, we left there and every place I went it was televised and everything and I'm trying to be no big deal or doing nothing, but I told him I wanted to Mike and just going to be told the way it was and that's what I did tell.

21:17 Wine and dine me we went cruising up some River. I was knighted the night of the bow Jala which I didn't know what Beaujolais was but it's a great and Noble I was I was famous people come around there. We went to a place in France and that I went to this meeting and there's like a school house at but it had looked in the old desk chairs you known and they said of us got 350 people sitting in an oz is one sit down and listen to Live speaker got up and he cried a little hugs and we've got a very important person with us today and I'm still listening, you know, and it says this guy I kind of told it like the way it was his Corky Jones who do not

22:01 Actually, I could have fainted right there big chair and arousing claps and everything, you know, but finally somebody when they when you can say that one person can't make a difference. Yes, you can but you got to be convicted you've got to be serious and you got to be not in any greedy portent. I was there and I was right and I said it with the right way, even when I flew home. I was on board the plane people take their interviews with people of about a nine-hour flight to you know, you got back in taking the iter by side will I had destroyed the chance of having free trade negotiations, but a bill passed said it back by ten years of free trade.

22:47 And then knocked the guy asked for that. I would look TV in the newspaper and everything. You need to call me in a way. What do you think of that for once I hope old Peyton your address right on a 9 years. They finally got it passed but it took nine years to do it now. We got another Free Trade Agreement starting to come to surface again, but

23:10 It can be done. It can be stopped at can be made a difference. If you got people that dislike and about the list of this time in the wee week we come into the then Farm Aid and it just seems like we've got leaders and year is Neil Young and Willie Nelson in them and hears Farmers or what? We've got the same thought and so I cannot stress how many times Willie you just continue to draw a much bigger crowds and I do so it's it would have helped Willie and Farm Aid.

23:49 You and I were the

23:51 Couple of the earliest calls that Willie made about having the first Farm Aid to see what we thought about it.

24:00 And see if we'd help. Why don't you I'll talk about that a little bit. I believe with us in Champaign one that Champaign Illinois and is a Schoolhouse it would have been shut down in the middle of it. So I believe August is I know that the cameras and everything the news people were there and had the cameras. No just made it hotter in hot and everybody kept saying well for his Willy and I well he's he's he'll be here pretty quick. Hello Governor Thompson coming to town he was in there and he had his tie. I need everything else needed a couple see you sitting right close to the cameras can get him. So he also got the spotlight with the heat on it and he was sitting there and he just started breaking out any loose these tie and pretty quickly London t-shirt sweating in the Sun and somebody else. You said you'd be in here just pretty quick anytime now and there is a well Willie told me later. That's 15 minutes, but he says finally Willie came in.

24:58 And he says well, he told me later. He says the reason I made him wait on me for 15 minutes. He made me wait on him to come see him cuz he's so important to know and I had to wait 15 minutes. So I knew I was going to get back with him, but I didn't think it'd be this quick then they went ahead and presented their their pitch in a Neil Young, you know.

25:30 We just hit it off. I mean to do this to do what we were doing. What we is Farmers and American agriculture movement for doing what they're doing in the end of what they think they saw as they travel the country and travel the roads.

25:45 It was a it was a Memory Maker and it was a good memory maker and it is so important. There's thousands and thousands of farmers that are forming today. That would not have been there if it hadn't been for farm.aid. We lost thousands and thousands to but

26:02 They made a difference to the next I'm stuck with I made everyone and you have to I think we're the only two that the can waive that banner and say well is 34 maids and David Stern Corky Jones made everyone. Okay, I'm proud to be there in about to have us I totally agree and you're right about the impact that Farm Aid had those Farm suicide doors at record levels these Farmers for feeling like they were failing that nobody they was ashamed to talk about it and yet all the sudden. Here's Willie and John and Neil and Farm Aid and thousands and thousands of supporters all of a sudden they figured out we're not in this alone and so far made it safely, but you think about the commitment from Willy

26:54 And the board 30 years.

26:58 30 years commitment and they have they made a difference then and they're still making a positive difference today it it's an amazing thing that we have been apart of for 30 years. That's absolutely right David to just I I Marvel at the fact that the just

27:20 I'm a nothing really here. You know, we would like to watch the news here last night and saw 11 people hold on and further with the Republican side for the president and they're all important people but I don't think they made any notches like Willie Nelson and Neil Young and Farm Aid and US pushing. I don't think they made that Mark Munch Tim and I don't think they got any intentions of doing it, but it can be done. It can be done. I remember

27:49 You and I have been on Willie's bus we travel with him but on the bus and Sam Donaldson with CBS News does interview and Willie and Sam ask Willie. Willie won't you retire and will it looks up and said all I do is play golf in music. What am I going to retire from? 97.1 why you still doing this Farm anything and Willie looks or nieces. What house said Dave and Corky still doing it. So I'm going to keep doing it and so amazing opportunity that we've had through this process.

28:32 One of the meetings of well, we've been aboard Willy's bus and travel lots of Miles went to lots of meetings and have been side by side with anyhow, I said that we lie about retiring nothing about what you said. Well, you know, I got to think about that court. He said you said you was going to retire today and I know you didn't hear me say that well, he says I'm maybe just think that no, I want to think about it either either. You said I got to thinking

29:01 When you retire you do what you like to do. Hell I'm doing that now and they're paying me for it. So why would I want to quit but that that's that's the thrust what I feel I feel the same way about farmin. I enjoy farming. It used to be a lot more fun than it is stay because you you can see that you were gaining the times well where we're going into another lapse where the grain prices are falling below the cost of production below the usda's figuring. You can't have a solid economy. Cuz when the farmer doesn't make it they called me as a nation or state or County whatever it is is going to suffer and go along with it. You know how it makes me say I'm never going to give up, you know, you talked about love.

29:54 Farm and I did too but 1980 was my last crop and now the Farms covered in houses and but you know, I think I was a darn good farmer, but I remember and in working in Washington DC for as many years as as I did.

30:15 All of a sudden Corky Jones's Farm became by away farm at know when I get a chance to head on me to always have a tractor driving job or something, but one story Corky told me if I ever wore a pair of boots out and Washington DC without coming out to the farm and didn't cash it on that. He was going to come to Washington personally load me up and haul me out of town that I've been there too long and I had to make sure not to do that. We both agree to that work dude in the dam. It's your dad and Corky would always come up with these neat little jobs when I'd go see him in the wet an hour of Lake fall.

31:02 And I like something to do with antifreeze. You won't tell that story Corky. Oh, they would swear that I didn't even think anything about having any concerned that people weather is going to freeze and break out my engines up and everything till it's already freezing but I do it called a witness the Dave I need to see you what we need to do what you need to come out and want to just meet you just miserable. We're going to be out antifreeze all the equipment and everything's a half of it wouldn't start cuz it's already too cold and then so is it all day long. He threatened me several times. Why don't you do this when it's warm weather and he says I don't need the antifreeze when it's warm with her. So anyway, we've had a lot of laughs to know if what have you? I don't know that I guess we could go on forever, but

31:57 There's a there's another notch that I think I pulled in it. When I several years ago. I had a meeting with the I believe the sound of that committee, maybe the zoo of the actor Pat Roberts Subway with swelling. Anyhow, I had this scale about how many bushels of corn it took to buy a tractor and how many bushels of corn it had to buy a combine on the different things and Equipment then that this would go back like 10 years and they say well Prosperity is here, you know, and then at Prosperity why I took up teen more bushels of my corn. I mean like thinking about three times as much and I think of a Splat Robert said, well, that's nice pretty good information as it is, but I got one more that what's that and I said, well, you know here was it cost you your salary how many bushels of corn it took me to pay your salary?

32:57 Back this date same day that I'm starting with my factors. Now, here's is how many bushels it pays talks to pay cost to pay your your your salary today and it's three times that many and now I'm you say things are great. You things are good and the price of Commodities or down it was impressive deal and I got more calls and more people requesting that information. I had a radio program at krvn radio in in Nebraska every Saturday morning headed for 25 years. And you know, it is a 5-minute program, but anybody that's ever been on the air or anything you have a program. It's pretty hard to come up every Saturday or not, but I'm working on, you know, I'm picking for and I'm plowing. I'm doing something but I got to have this 5 radio program. We got to have something that makes just a little sense or people aren't going to listen to you. I had this one family in Colorado Freddy Hillman Fred Hillman

33:57 Don't take your mom and dad's place. And if so, it went animated Dushku I was and then on the table, it was a shoe sitting just sitting on the middle of the table and said he saw Freddy saw me looking at that. This is why you know what that's for. No, I don't says well.

34:17 Every night when I go to bed Friday night, they put that shoe out there. So they'll remember to make turn on the radio for car keys program for Saturday morning. So it gets to you but that's that's life. That's like one for that can change and I'm proud of the right one person and I'm proud of being a good friend and they would send her the one people will think a lot alike and I think we can make a difference. Yeah, you know, we both spend a lot of time with our parents and how it always goes a Corky's dad and his mom when I be out listing his dad was in a nursing home and during the last few years of his life and I went in by there one day and he didn't know I was going to be coming. But anyway we sit down.

35:17 He said he'll boy. What are you doing?

35:20 Here and I said, well I said I just came out here to make sure Corky's doing the right thing and keeping him straight.

35:32 And not causing any trouble and Corky's daddy looks up and he said he'll boy you're wasting your time so that I've tried that for years. I remember just like it was yesterday and my mother and dad they'd always so when it's Corky going to come back to Texas and we want to see him in so we can go out of their way to spend time than I can. Remember. I wrote your dad a letter from something and the other years later why you showed me that letter is meant by I don't remember why I wrote it but it meant something to him. So he meant a lot to I think it's a good opportunity that we've had today here and I think

36:15 The Press definitely it's the Press just got to carry the word in the Press is going to be at Farm Aid that they will be there by the numbers and it it takes that it goes back to like I said Willie you draw a bigger crowd than I do, but I have crossed the nation in and I know that that's the people are there somebody just thinking or write that on something that or just the fact that they they were there and heard something tomorrow or Saturday on on stage while you're you're going to see people really thought about anything about farming people think was just for Farmers. That's just a step just a step and you know, it's it's good to reminisce. It's good to record stories. And cuz I I was raised to understand or believe that you have to two under

37:15 Stand history to know where to go in the future.

37:20 And and you know, we've been talkin about a lot of history here and things Setter I have happened in this country. That's right. It's why we're at this point in time. That's right. And and so that's a that's important.

37:37 I have one more thing that I

37:41 Are you talking a little while ago about this tractorcade and I have not heard of it. I didn't know anything about it. Could you just kind of started the beginning and and talk about what y'all were doing and what you were trying to accomplish?

37:54 Well David started it then in Texas and Adelaide like say I didn't know him at the time but it was something different with the tractorcade the farmers drove their tractors as a form of protest cuz we tried to figure out how can you get people's attention that's a tool of our trade. And so we decided to drive tractors around in 78 after 50,000 Farmers went to Washington DC and Washington did not change policy. They didn't listen we thought well, how about if we take that many if we take Drive tractors to Washington, let's see what they think then

38:38 And so that's how the idea was hatched. And so everybody in the country liked it. And so we just figured out you know, when you will do a hundred miles a day and we'll come down all of the major East-West interstates. We will time those distances. So everybody arrives in Washington DC the same day, which is February 7th. I think or 5th of 1979.

39:08 And and so that's what we did. But there were it was an amazing thing. No cell phones. No computers. It was all just telephones. I meant to communicate with one way to believe it was dark and when we got burst it was dark and it is all and I could just see miles and miles and miles of tractor that has four legs and I mind it was Nebraska weather that came from up above cuz I had that terrible snowstorm. So the North Dakota end up in there came and joined Mining and come in but it's

39:44 They came across I-80 I 7040 I 20 but when I was on the I20 route and I drove from the last tractor to the first tractor when we was leaving, Georgia going in South Carolina, and it was twenty one and a half miles long.

40:08 We come down out of the mountains there then.

40:12 Where they were that would be good other me up this terrible ice and snow storm and so will trickle dance and it didn't go very fast. But aren't we had 60 miles of tractors that they would just barely creeping down off the mountain but always be gained people that was amazing. I mean, you know, it just said many times if you want to get the attention of people anymore. You got to do one of three things and I don't play anymore. I think forever, but you would Bloodshed if there's bloodshed

40:44 That's what gets people's attention. We are not Bloodshed where that's not in our make at all at and what it's all about or you could tear something down while we are on the turning down a building or set fire to anything. I we want to build something up or you could do something really different.

41:05 David there's never been anything anymore different than 656. Well is 60,000 people driving tractor? They weren't quite that many tractors, but there was a lot of tractors and camper doesn't write with important and looking back and no one the current situation wherein I believe that the tractorcade to Washington by farmers in 1979 was the last great protest that will ever occur in Washington DC. Now for security purposes. They would not let you drive one tractor in the morning in DC let alone thousands and they thought they was was barricading that's on the mall captionist. It was the best camping place. They could have given us so we didn't have to drive back out of town and so we can just walk up to Capitol Hill and talk to the congressman and so, you know a lot

42:05 But you know David is home. I still get people and they're feeling the crunch that mean you're a couple years ago. We had this spurt. We had $8 coin. We had $15 beans and boy that's in it as it should show the world. What do it that would do because there were people poop more jobs more equipment bought pickups and everything. They were people doing something spending money, you know, not just to throw it away, but they were replacing their worn-out equipment in that was with a decent price not from any anyting but a fair price for orbit doosan what today we're about a third of that. Yes. Yeah. Willie Nelson is them he is really needed for made absolutely. Just explain it.

42:55 Corky it's been great here having a conversation with you group Haley opportunity with suppressed being here and it's great that always be in your presence ja I just I never get tired of that.