Kate Schachter and Aleia McCord

00:05 My name is Aaliyah McCourt. I am 29 years old and today is Friday, March 25th, and we are in Madison, Wisconsin and I'm talking today to my friend Kate from Peace Corps Ghana who I serve with I served from 2003 to 2005 and I think Kate while let you introduce yourself and when you serve to my name is Kate Schecter, I'm currently 60 years old today is still March 25th, 2011 and learn Addison, Wisconsin and I'm here with my friend Aaliyah Mac. Or I was in Ghana from 2004 to 2007. So we overlap for a year and had a great opportunity to meet each other then.

00:50 Great.

00:54 Several suicides in the beginning or do you member training at all before? We got two countries you guys going to Philadelphia? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Remember Philadelphia had never been there and I was really excited to it to be able to spend a couple of days. I think though that was funny that the going in to the area though the hotel lobby where we were doing the training. I was walking in and getting in line and another one of the one of the women who became my Pier

01:36 Was joining and she was looking around very suspicious-looking checking everybody out in the group. Is this who I'm going to have to live with for the next two years and she's very suspicious. So she is just a crack up but as it turned out she was so I think in her early twenties and we ended up being some of the closest friends Kristin Christy Graham and I and Oak see if it should become HIV and AIDS coordinator different Kristy. She was doing okay. She's not with Minneapolis going to school. I really I didn't know that entering into the training was that was my introduction to incorporating into the group was Christie suspicion of everybody that she was looking at it was really fun the end of it was

02:33 Leaving we were leaving and another group was coming in to or their orientation session and there was a woman of my age we passed each other in the halls and she looked at me and just almost like grab me to

02:53 Very nervous about going to Peace Corps cuz and in my group I had I was 54 when I went in and the closest people in age to me were a couple of men in their 40s and everybody else was 30 or under actually most of them. Were you have 30 or under?

03:11 And her and her group everybody was 30 and under except for her. She was a little panicky and we just quickly exchanged email addresses and her name is star and I can't think of her last name right now, but she was from Alaska and she went to Kyrgyzstan and we had a great email exchange over the over the years volunteers and after every once in awhile, like once a year once or twice a year will just touch base and see what's going on.

03:44 Yeah, we had a couple of we had one woman. I don't remember her name was she was much older. I think in her 70s group in my group Margaret. Was it Margaret? Is that her name? She was a teacher. So maybe it wasn't from your group cuz you were she was definitely in my group. I think she was in the business of the business volunteer member she got she got arrested on New Year's Eve Christmas Eve Story by cannot remember her name, that's terrible.

04:23 She she loved her in the Volta region were the three she was it was Christmas Eve and she was going to say something in a cry and the traffic was terrible and she was the sweetest was like everybody's grandmother, you know and had this really great story of how she hadn't decided to join the Peace Corps after she and her husband had separated and was just it's really amazing strong woman and all of us look up to her and I remember she was on her way to this Christmas party on Christmas Eve in the past and then cries, you know is always terrible, right? So she gets apparently she's waiting in line waiting in line waiting line in this traffic jam in the taxi in taxi drivers, just like we'll just get out here even though this isn't a legal place to a light and so she swings a door open to the car and there happens to be a cop.

05:23 On a motorcycle that hits the door, right and look takes a really bad nasty spill and then proceeds to arrest them both a taxi driver and it in the Peace Corps volunteer and we like meow that was that was very exciting. That was her urban legend was like Grandma got arrested if you know, but yeah, we looking down a motorcycle cop on a motorcycle cop.

05:53 What do you remember about training the orientation and they'll aging aging? You know, I don't really remember much. I was I think I was just so nervous and excited to get there that I wasn't really focusing on anything. What was what was your opinion when you entered the country or what was the first really big impact that to you that stays with you forever. Motorcade. Did you guys get up from the airport? Like what am I have I got myself into I didn't realize I was just important to deserve a police motorcade cuz I was one of those, you know, I was 20 21 years old right at a college certainly not expecting that any police would ever escort me anywhere as summer getting off the plane and there's this we come out and it's really hot and it kind of smells like singed horse. And then I just look up and there's all these really crazy wide-eyed volunteers and their brightly colored cloth like screw.

06:53 Meaning and so excited for the turn condoms that you from the group The addends as we came out of the luggage area the volunteers who are in country at the time. I was not one of them. I promise that throwing kind of that you have no idea but I did get a cartoon was nice and then I don't

07:35 Do you ever much about that first training? I do like that first training in is what we are in a cry for like a week and then and then we separated with it less than a week in case it was last week. We went to the that school the hell. Yeah. I think it was north of Accra and we were there for that's what that was her.

08:02 Where we stayed while we were in the Akron area and then we would just go back and forth from there. And I remember spending a lot of time taking long walks. So I started doing Tai Chi every morning and I became the Tai Chi person. I tried doing doing some doing some training sessions with people on how to do tai chi Oliver. That's so good.

08:25 I'm not really a touchy teacher.

08:30 I am pretty sloppy in my form to but everyone was very appreciative. Anyway, it was really fun. It was just a nice way to another way to bond with with the group and have fun with them. And then you were in the South training group know what we only had one training City. All you guys didn't separate into North and South we would last year that did that in 2003. Yes. We were in four different communities based on Earth sector so all of the health and wasps and people were in one Community all the business development in another and then the environment group that I was in was big enough that we were into fairly close communities and we would just get together come come to one place okay for the training because they split us into I was in bolga in the North and then

09:30 I don't remember the name of the city in the South where the other volunteers went. Do you sweat through? Hell? Yeah. Well, you probably knew you were going to end up in the north, right? You did everyone knew they were going to didn't know for 3 weeks 4 weeks where we were going to go vote for their place and was going to be remember your site visit. Yeah that to me was if I mean the whole time I have been to Africa before 32. So here I am thinking you know, I got this in the bag. This is going to be a big deal. They're coddling us. Oh, no, it was so much harder when I say this is nothing and then one day

10:20 The Strain people showed up and introduced themselves and their mother I'm your father.

10:26 We got in a bus.

10:30 And then I show up in this crazy strange place and no one is expecting me. And I think that's the first time I really kind of sat down and had a bit of a panic attack. And the first thing that happened to me when I showed up in my community after a 7-hour bus ride that was unlike anything I've ever experienced with me know to go sit my feet done just the dust and that just a constant dust, you know, if your nose I remember arriving and everyone was a little surprised to see me and a woman promptly handed me her infant entendo everyone that spoke English. They let me into a room which I later found out with my house and then they all disappeared because apparently they had to go to let me with the baby. Yes. Because apparently I don't know if the memo didn't get to them or they weren't really sure if I was going to show up or I don't know what the confusion was.

11:30 You know, they had to go and find whoever it was that was going to have welcomed me into the community and get things going but I didn't really work and was going on. I have this baby and I've never actually held a baby before because I'm the oldest in my family. And so I know nothing about babies. I have this baby and I really have to go to the bathroom cuz I've been holding it all day long cuz I didn't know what to do on the bus ride there. It wasn't really clear to me the proper etiquette to the bathroom really bad baby and I don't have no idea what I'm going to do and I'm like well, apparently the only reason that I was left with his baby is because I am like a woman right? So if I just wander around

12:18 Find some other woman. I'm sure I can just give her the baby.

12:27 Around looking. I'm just like okay the first one I see I'll just give her this baby and I wander into my next door neighbor's house. So I had never met before and I just walk up to them and like deposit this child in their arms and they're like screaming and laughing and I'm realizing that my language training has been you know, I thought I was good, but I'm not and I just like Hannah child and then I just look around helplessly and just dash off into the bushes and go to the bathroom and meanwhile, like everyone's coming over and peering at me and that's why I was like, wow, what did I did I sign up for exactly and what are those people that speak English coming back? Cuz I have so many questions for them. How long does it take for them to come back?

13:16 It seems like you know 8 hours. I'm sure it was like 30 minutes.

13:26 Find the baby. I think the mother was my neighbor Asha. I mean that the family but the mother Asha was friends with the head of the NGO that I was working with seven sankari. And so I think she just gave me joy and the baby and just went into town to get Evans to bring Evans to come and get me cuz I office was about 4 miles away from where my house was so

13:56 Sound of extracting. How was your welcome ceremony? Remember the the homestead visit so much. I remember the after training and uncut and then coming to the community but the visit I remember doing it. I don't remember anything really specific or outstanding volunteer. Who is there before me had already left? So I never met Marta, but I remember I did I stayed at the house where I was going to that was going to be my house and it's nice to get a little oriented and get a feel for it. I would go over to my counterparts house walk though, whatever it was half mile or so every day to have food for banku with them.

14:48 And his wife made the best banku and Ghana is so it's really crazy. But yeah, they they made sure that I that I had one solid meal a day. However, I was really worried about the fish because they they really wanted to give me some protein is that but it was dried fish. You know, we were in London you certainly in the north would have had dried fish.

15:15 It never I tried it the first time and it was really kind of rank.

15:22 And I later found out that what they do is the fish is dried and it's sold in the market and in the market town which was a half hour 15 minutes away and the women in my Village would go and buy the fish after that they hadn't sold. So it was several days old they would bring it back and they would re smoke it and then keep it on eat it and sometimes they would resmoke it up third time and that was the kind of fish that have available to us. So after the first day I started going at before I went down to go to the house. I would just go to the little kiosk and buy a can of sardines couple cans of sardines and bring it and share it with everybody. They had the biggest biggest junkyard sardine cans of anybody else in the neighborhood that is really nice of them to them to feed me.

16:17 Come

16:20 After after I I came for the final time you after I moved in I made a point of cutting my my my dinners with them to two or three times a week just cuz I like to cook myself if you know it and I felt like a I wasn't I don't think it was a burden because nothing just seems to be a burden to the two to the Canadians but I felt it wasn't fair to force it on them. So I just said I really like to cook myself which was true and

16:56 Made by own meals

16:58 I also didn't cauldron. No, no, you know.

17:04 I actually brought my cast iron frying pan from home. Now. What weight limit per ounce I mean, whatever whatever it is, you know, it's like a way of a baby previous volunteer. I had left all of her dishes and so it was the cheap, you know, aluminum pans and things like that. So I was really glad I had my friend.

17:47 Are those first few months were really disorienting. I think did you do the as they requested where you're not supposed to don't worry about working just get oriented to the community get it culture rated. Don't do work. Did you get get into him? I was working. I know you were too. I think what you working with the organization and so it would have been really strange if I had showed up for my first day of work with this organization and to announce that I would not be working for 3 months, but were they there they would they must have been in your community. Yeah. It was a local and she also a guy that started it Evanston qari had gone to the University of development studies and then had to come back to his hometown and started this NGO. So they I mean the local NGO and I was stopped by all local people and then as over the years they sort of would hire experts and people from out of town with come and apparently now,

18:47 How they've grown so much they're a granting agency. So they get huge grass from usaid and they disburse them to other small NGO. So they really come a long way. That's great. But I mean they were already had hit the ground running five years before and I think it would have been strange if I hadn't tried to

19:04 Just you know be a part of the team.

19:11 But you were working with Audria. Yeah, and the thing is I actually didn't meet with them for a month because we got there. It was December early December and it was Christmas and New Year's and harvest and all of these things were going on and

19:32 The ultra office was

19:36 Probably an hour Churchill ride. Oh, so it wasn't in your working with were in my community or surrounding areas, but

19:51 But the office wasn't so I didn't get any orientation to what they wanted me to do four months for the end of January at but almost two months.

20:03 So I had spent a lot of time getting oriented and talking to people I started working at the clinic a couple days a week with baby weighing as fun as a good way to start working on my language skills.

20:24 Yeah, I think it was I think it's a hard transition when you're coming right out of college because when you're in school, you're so used to being evaluated and in the receiving constant feedback about your performance and what you should be doing and you know, you receive instructions and they're sort of you know, this this is what you have to complete to be successful. And so to be thrown in a situation where you don't much like the rest of your working life, this is a hard adjustment. I'm sure for anyone who recently graduate from college free throw in a situation where it's not really clear.

20:56 You know exactly what you're supposed to be doing and what tasks would qualify as being success in the position. I think was a really hard adjustment for me, but it's hard for me always to tell if it was just because I had just graduated from college and so I didn't know what it was like to work in the independent kind of way or if it was I mean, obviously the added complication of not really being sure what's going on for cultural reasons. I think complicates order time at 2.

21:28 But did you have any I mean it was it clear to you what I wanted you to do not for a couple months and months. So when did you figure out what they had their expectations were will actually the the the person that I was directly going to work with did come and pick me up at one point in that process and once or twice maybe and he took me along on rides to visit farmer Jason visit nurseries. So we at least had a chance to talk. I was getting a feel for it, but then they had this whole orientation session for myself in the other.

22:01 Three volunteers that were there only three volunteers at that point doing Audrey work it was

22:17 Carry a Titan. Oh, yeah and a net Hadley and myself and we were there last three volunteers after you know, 20 years about her being in Ghana at one point. It had like I don't know 40 50 volunteers working on projects with them.

22:36 Where did they stop having volunteer? Do you know the the the the the nursery program and the livelihood program that they were working on was was becoming successful. So that has started out and they were giving away trees to a people who had a couple acres and then they turn that into selling those helping to develop the market for the oranges and then and then the growing the Citrus seedlings teaching the farmers how to nurse the plants.

23:13 So we were kind of coming in at the end and was just about finished.

23:19 I mean, that's really great to see a program through this at success.

23:25 Do you remember to Amber and service training at all?

23:31 Should I come to your counterparts? Yeah. Yeah, I'm to training and we were doing getting Peace Corps training on different things together yet.

23:47 Is interesting a Bronto was his name and he had a stutter as it is very kind and the of it every really I just admired him so much and I just was so glad to have him as my counterpart. I felt he did. He was so committed and so driven and I actually heard that he ran for alter person in the community last year. He didn't win. Nothing didn't probably couldn't find enough fears for the Volvo, but it was really great that he has kind of come to that point where he had enough confidence to tell brands for older person always a community leader and the community. No, no, not really. My kind of first name is Raphael. Kimono. Okay, then he was

24:40 He was a really kind person and well, I really liked working with him and he was always just so welcoming.

24:49 And

24:51 Yeah, just a really good guy. And my supervisor was a very kind of strong headed person. So he was a little more challenging to work with and Raphael would always just you know, you know, so strong headed person so you can imagine fireworks right afterwards. You need to exercise patience. You're right. I need to exercise patience. So I'm very thankful for his guidance. I would definitely would have would not have made it through if it wasn't for Raphael, but he went to the training the in-service training with him and it was so exciting to be there in 10 me to interpret cuz of course you would heard through the grapevine about all these crazy stories about people's counterparts and when you saw people find got to meet their counterparts is like, oh, you know, we had over anorak.

25:42 Oh, I know the name. I don't remember her. She's in Minneapolis. Now. She's a vet student Mitchell, but she is very slight woman and I remember she showed up with her counterpart and you know Ana was very quiet and slight, you know, very careful woman and she shows up with her counterpart in our town part isn't very gregarious like large dramatic woman and seeing them interact was just Priceless and I remember we at one point in the training the volunteers went to my room and then turn purple into another room and we were supposed to write down a volunteer is in a volunteer isn't a counterpart is and I kind of wasn't all the volunteers counterpart is not my dietician accounting part is not my spiritual advisor a counterpart is not my mother and then counterparts

26:42 Peace Corps volunteers should eat less catch up church every week. They should listen to our sound advice and they're looking across the table at these wonderful people who are responsible for us being able to stay in the country and who I know all of us are so thankful to have met and interacted with for 2 years and all of us. I think they were looking at us looking at our list and we were looking at them looking at their last and then everyone started laughing like a serious miscommunication here and it was it was a m just made me feel so much better about

27:22 About my relationship with my counterpart and I think I think that was kind of a sentiment of everyone there. But did you guys do that exercise it was so I don't remember the details, but it was similar in many ways and some things I think I kind of remember doing some things around that when they first came to meet us during training. So maybe they Peace Corps was starting to do the culture thing differences, but it's not until you actually I don't you just want to fill in the blanks for people, you know, you want to just assume

28:06 Oh, yeah. Well, there's is cultural differences. But me and this guy we're tight. He gets me I get him and it's not until you do these kind of exercises me. Like we're speaking the same language, but somehow we completely missed the boat was good. Did you guys play the question game questions to answer every somebody ask a question and next person instead of providing an answer gets a question and response. Oh, yes. Yes. I know lyrics don't ask questions. I tell you I'm going to tell you what's going on, right? So you get up there and try to ask a question and possible commands are so good at

28:56 You know what? I'm curious about when we got to know each other really. Well. I mean we were talking before about maybe that you were doing some training during my in-service. I don't remember it that well. I don't remember who except for Niko but what I really remember about you is the HIV aids bike ride that that you and a couple of other volunteers. That was great and I'm curious of what it was like for you to organize that and get that all together and now here you are today. Yeah, it was hands down was the best part of IQ score experiences that program all my skills had to come together and I really like push me and kind of ways that I didn't even know I could be pushed, you know, because of that point we didn't really have cell phone service up there. Right and I had to bike

29:56 That whole route that whole earth of route to each of those local communities and some of them weren't even accessible by vehicle, you know who hit a bike there and people that know we are coming right and then we had to pray that our language skills were either sufficient enough to get the general idea of cross and or we could find you know, that the folks that would speak English in that community and could help us sort things out and then just tell them about the program reiterate the date and just pray to God that they believed that we were going to show up when we said we're going to show you know, I remember that the day before he started the bike ride and we had a I had the vehicle.

30:40 And we had to drive around to all of the communities in a sentence. Can I drop off a goat and a bag of rice? Do you like we're going to be here pick it up for us. We're coming. I promise it was really exciting camera and I we would have to go and just hope that we could spend the night somewhere, you know, cuz it was too far to just go and come back in one day and you know, my dad came with me and that whole time so I didn't ya my dog ran the whole time and preparing for that bike ride and I just couldn't yeah, I couldn't believe how well it came together either. I was always really impressed with that whole process that I think the hardest part of it was just getting started. You know, what we all got together at the that one school or threatened to move into a great lakes of the teachers training College rides, and and we were

31:40 And we were at at the teachers training college and starting to get a feel for what was going to go on and there were some delays and getting coordinated. But that was probably the hardest part but once we all hit the road, it just happened. It just worked like magic. It was really fun is Miracle it was

32:02 Actual events. It was a 5-day hundred miles. I believe it's right. I think it was like 20-something miles a day 5 days a hundred mile bike ride, and the idea was to bring together Peace Corps volunteer then also can and volunteers to reach these sort of more remote communities in the upper west region with this HIV and AIDS outreach program and

32:29 Yeah, it was it was it was fantastic because it was a real opportunity. I think for a lot of volunteers who hadn't done any HIV and AIDS work and who maybe were a little dubious about the tools that have been introduced play Journey of Hope of whole kit and you you think about asking adults to put down these planks and pretend like they're crossing over with crocodiles think yourself. This is going to be terribly insulting to these, you know, 40 year old people that I'm trying to interact with that actually people really love the activity and I think being around especially the Canadian volunteers and washing the ways in which they interact with the community in the ways in which they introduced Concepts about HIV and AIDS education. It was just I think really eye-opening for a lot of people who participated including myself. I feel like my ability to utilize those tools and also to build on this partnership that we made with all the beginning and organizations that support

33:29 Ride. Yeah, so what so we did we with the goal was to hit two or even three communities a day and and just get off our bikes and do this or presentation. Some of the communities were there under the tree waiting for us with a songs the school children would get together and sing for us and have a little program before and then we would do some HIV AIDS training and bike on to the next Community or stop and have lunch at that particular place 60 people. So we have all these matching t-shirts than a quart of 60 biker is coming through these communities are these white T-shirt and I I just think that they were young by the yellow t-shirts. Yeah, and and I think it was so great for those communities because you know, we had connected and and built on the network of

34:29 UT Health volunteers already exist in Ghana and the thing that always struck me about time as there's this great network of Experts of wonderful people that live here that have all this knowledge and in some sense my job was just to be a cheerleader right to just show the community. Hey, this guy here is the one that brought these 60 people into your community because this is a man or a woman that can make things happen and it was just really tight and be part of that process of really, you know, it's kind of drumming up support for the community leadership. It was already existing soon as this whole thing. That's what that's something that I always try to make a point. If I give presentations on my Peace Corps experience to the two different groups. I try to throw in that that pees and has his slides from that that I that I show off ya on the same cuz we had two groups yet. And you're in the group. Yes, we definitely were

35:29 The night that the equipment malfunctioned turn on whistle. I always have with laundry have used that whistle twice in my life once a substitute teacher what I do, I won't say what I said then and the other one the other time was as if you could volunteer when I'm facing this group is the first time in my life that I've ever been in kind of a leadership position. Like that's where I'm responsible for the health and safety of these 60 people and like everything's I feel like everything's resting on me. If something goes wrong is my responsibility cuz I didn't think through it or I didn't you know, I didn't establish a strong partnership in this community or whatever and I've been promised these people this video showed you have walked for like 10 miles to watch this working. The little small boys are starting to like Russell in there's all this kind of dust coming up in the air and the guy told me it's time for the whistle.

36:29 Whistle whistle. I'm so sorry to inform you that the show is not going to happen this evening. I wasn't there backing you up. I was I was one of the exhausted writers that there's always at the back with the trailer for yeah, right.

37:04 5 minutes 5 minutes left so we should rapidly pristine.

37:09 Do you remember coming back at all? Those first few months back?

37:14 Are we there any other like highlight from service that you wanted to you know, the thing the thing for me was coming back with said I extended and I was approved but administrative leave but then I wasn't approved medical because I had this foot turned out to be this polyneuropathy from from either the antimalarial and or having West Nile Virus while I was in, and so I have this neuropathy in my feet to wear that's like varies between stinging nettles burning to dead dead. No feeling and so is very bizarre. They didn't know what it was taken to couldn't figure out what to do. So they said they couldn't support me and that I had to go home. So I was devastated completed the two years, but I was ready to go for another year. I was ready to go for another five years, you know that is really excited about

38:12 It's it took me a little bit to adjust to the fact that I had to leave and when I came back I had a renter in my house and he was expecting to have stayed there another year. And so I stayed with my son and his wife and my granddaughter is so it was actually really nice but it was three months is staying with them living in their sunroom, which was also the girls toy room. And I mean I love being there but I remember driving around and looking at places for sale or places for rent and do you know waiting for my renter to move out we were kind of talking about whether he should buy my house and with it what I would do and I was looking at all these places I could live there. But if it wasn't so bad coming back except for that that whole

39:07 Just getting used to the fact that I couldn't stay in that message.

39:16 Remember when I got my first I was so excited to get my job when I got back and you don't have his HR meetings when he first started a new job and the HR people had given me and kind of a list of things that you can do to get fired, which I probably read from front to cover. And the first thing on the list was sleeping on the job.

39:38 And I almost started crying because I was like, there's no way I'm going to be able to get through a work day without taking a nap because of McDonough you was not climate controlled. So it's really hot. You know, I mean, I don't want to give anyone the impression that you know people and God are by any means lazy because that is so far from the truth in my experience pain right in the middle of the day when you'll have the air conditioning gets really hot in Africa over a hundred degrees ignore can't do anything. Well, that's what you do at work. If you take a nap at your desk in the middle of the day and how could I possibly go through an entire work day and not take a nap at my dad's house. So I almost had to cry and eat our session and I came home that night and I told my husband I was like, I don't know if I can do it like my honey like I can get fired for sleeping.

40:38 I didn't have to sleep on my desk turns out when you have a climate-controlled desk. Is that necessary to take a nap in the afternoon?

40:45 So that works out. Well for me. I think. But I do understand. I wish I could I wish I could go back. I miss it, too.

40:58 Anything else that we miss?

41:01 Tums I'm sure thing 2 years worth.

41:05 In an hour

41:13 Staring at us

41:18 Have you can contact people still email or through the rivers at my site now though? I don't know the people at my site right now the people who were there just before just before the current group. I was in touch beanie with the with the group's after me twice. And so I was able to find out what was happening in the community and what was happening with my counterpart and wasn't the nurse at the clinic and all these took the progress on the schools and all of that was really good overall Facebook friends. It's crazy friend just had a baby. So I'm really hoping I'd get the chance to see her. You would definitely remember how she was at I do remember young thing on the motorcycle.

42:18 Gas in Canada now Toronto or lakes you can freeze to death from the equator to the tundra.

42:41 Yeah, but they're all on Facebook. It's amazing to me that on Facebook, you know three years in like yeah, I haven't tell if I don't do enough in Facebook. So I

42:59 I'm just sort of fringing that Frenching of little bit.

43:04 I feel like technology really came quickly to Gaga. So it was just sort of I feel like I just kind of taking off internet access and everything right when I was leaving and I feel like a lot of people have access to Internet now. Maybe that's where they at least have cell phone coverage pretty well. Yeah and internet access it's still kind of dicey. It depends if he still have to travel to to get to the Head.

43:28 REI

43:34 All right, that's fine. It was great. Yeah.