Delya Bull and Toni Love

00:01 Hi, my name is Daniel. Until 7. Today is day 2 Saturday, August 29th, 2020.

00:11 Time in Richmond, California USA

00:16 At the name of my conversation partner is Toni love and she is my friend who I met at Charlotte Maxwell Clinic.

00:24 Hi, I'm Tony love I'm 67 years old. Today's date is Saturday, August 29th. 2020. I'm in Oakland California and my conversation partner is Delia and I had the Good Fortune of meeting her at Charlotte Maxwell.

00:46 And we can probably start by telling you where we first met you remembered you yet. I think we were there together for a cooking class.

00:57 Yes, we look those cooking classes. Didn't we we we did meet to speak I think at that time. Yes, we probably saw each other at one time when we came for treatment and but I think you're right. That is when we met it must have been in the holiday time and they were offering tickets to some kind of a performance you even remember what it was. It was a musical conference. Remember Delia, it was strange that me and I came in a Lyft car Leah said I can't go without having somebody else there to help me see in the dark and so we met there and that's how we kind of bonded and quickly became instant friends like long-lost sisters.

01:57 Maxwell has been really wonderful in that way for helping us to make those kind of connections.

02:05 Yes, it certainly has it's such a wonderful place and all the people that are like angels in our lives with me and you're really the sea has been able to go and get our treatments and I think the first time I went and I just felt so

02:24 Safe and so warm everyone was so friendly and the atmosphere there is lovely because they have to go couches and tea and bulletins and we just sit there and have tons to chat to whoever's there at the time before my treatment. So yeah, it is the stairs like I'm five stories in a big building and so it seems like you're just coming out of The Busy World and then you open the door and you walk in there and he's like the air is different and the energy is different and it's like you. Into peace and calm and acceptance and support and it's just an amazing amazing feeling for somebody going through the cancer experience where every day it is in protential disaster Moment by moment, and it's kind of a roller coaster weather. You don't know if it's going to be something good happening or something.

03:24 Very happening and to get to a place where you can just feel peaceful is so refreshing.

03:34 So it certainly is I so agree with you Tony. I'm just to see all the people who are going through the same thing as we are and you never too. It's just a support group supporting when especially when you live on your own like I do and you do people and I mean cancer can happened but it is felt kind of like you belong to us supportive Club once you had cancer and once you got into that supported environment and people were sharing information and sharing resources and you never knew when you went there what opportunity or what kind of thing you might get one day. They were giving away hats for people who didn't have hair or things like that and you just like unexpected treats all the time when you would go to Charlotte Maxwell and that added

04:34 A pleasure into kind of stressful lives I'm thinking about

04:48 I was just thinking towards the end before they closed and I managed to be able to get some rides there too. Because I didn't have a cough at 9 months. And then I was using Lyft car which is expensive to give me a ride and so someone volunteered and they come and pick you up and take you and also that they have some free vegetables. Yeah. Yeah, I think the local farmers market or something give them to try things. You hadn't tried yet. And when you're learning about anti-cancer diet and you're learning from cooking classes and whatever it was like well, here's the stuff right here. Take it home and give it a try so bad.

05:48 That was really yeah, we miss it so much to see if they've done such a great job with assume calls. I'm functioning many people can go on lips and cause it seems like it comes down when we had covid-19. We won had to isolate because being that were a population that has had cancer or is currently having it. We have a high risk starting reduced immunity. So we couldn't go anymore in person to to Charlotte Maxwell and I had no idea how important Charlotte Maxwell wants to be until I reach Google

06:37 I just show up even thinking about it because there was like they took away my safe place. They took away my beliefs of community. They took away the place where I can go and have these cooking class. I get to know other people by how they participated in the class and how we chatted to them together and whatever and it was like wow that was really rude. So I was really happy when they were able to figure out how to get on zoo and then we actually ended up forming a tighter community on Zoom sadly only a small percentage. I think they said they have 250 I'm clients and only maybe 10% could get on to the zoo, but we would be there regularly and we would have classes together and then we would start doing check-ins. I think I suggested it and then they're like, yes, let's do it is if we want to just be able to talk to each other and see how we're doing it. So then we started having weekly check-in and then we all got to where we knew what was happening and if we didn't see any

07:37 How do you cycle how is so-and-so this week? And that really bonded us together a lot. And the other thing I like you might want to talk about this to Delia is how Gabriella that medical director gave us some classes about handling stress in about building Army today because she knew that's what we needed to cope with.

08:00 I know exactly what they were all great and especially at the beginning when we could have the acupuncturist remember and I was short notice on our bodies where to press when they put the needles occupant an acupressure and that was really helpful to me and they're also giving names of Chinese herbs and even going out walking in the neighborhood and and picking up explicit off the tree so that we could make things with them and they get little little classes about how to make things. So, yes, that would just really great and I liked the atom.

08:44 I left the class on a Tuesday special because it's guided meditation visualization and then beehive on a Tuesday. Also, I exercise class and I think we've all got to like that very much. She's really a great teacher. And even when I went in person the thing about the volunteers at Charlotte Maxwell is that they are very very very good at what they do and they're there because they want to help people like us and so they're doing it with love. So to have somebody work with you one-on-one from that loving space with their expertise. I would just go into like this trance almost sometimes I would fall asleep and the ones who did guided meditation or guided imagery and combined with hands on an ER

09:44 Do you work like shipper does it is just heaven and now that she can do that for us on Zoom. It's like just hearing your voice I start to relax and be able to have a combination of have an opportunity to relax and then also have the opportunity to move our body in healthy ways that aren't dangerous when we've had surgery or when were we can from cancer or whatever we're living in a different body that we don't really recognize and 8 we have to learn what's okay for us to do now without hurting ourselves and what might be advantageous for us to do to get better. And so having the exercise class where she can direct us and even having them the Chinese medical people. They had like three of them that would come on and we can stay well today. I'm having a headache and they could say well for headache you might hold these places on your body. You might try having these

10:44 What kind of foods are they tell us things like at this time of the year of these kind of foods will be more supportive to your system. And if we had any kind of questions cuz anything was troubling us. We say you have any ideas what we can do for this and it was really really supportive because we're sitting here without our regular office visits and things that we had from our care providers because we're all isolated from code. So that was huge being able to have that resource and being able to have Gabriel of a medical director where we could just ask her. Why don't one question when she was online with us. That was ignore Miss play supportive when we were going through such a hard thing is as Tobin and it impacted our population a lot not so much because of the unexpected stuff people ask me though. Isn't it really hard to not know what to expect from one moment to the other with David and I said, no I said I've been on the cancer jewelry for 7 months and I said, that's what it's all about. You never know what to

11:44 Back from one minute to the other. So I'm really good with that. It's the Isolation part that's really hard and not having access to the resources. That's really hard and Charlotte Maxwell has been a Lifeline for

11:59 Yes, I find not really hard, especially now with being alone so much and I think it's just because we know what the train is like with cancer and even I mean, I briefly speak to my son every few weeks, but it seems like I can't mention the word times it to him. Cuz if I do is that mommy always talking about cancer.

12:23 And I don't well every day is as doing protocols account stuff at me and that's just what my life is mostly shopping for it doing the things all day. So I think that's why the Charlotte Maxwell group should have if I had the money and when I have money. Maxwell clinic in every city in every possible because the government and big Pharma and everything and so

13:16 This really should be a part of every person that's got, so it should be possibly hitting protocol to do all these wonderful saying is like acupuncture and massage therapy and Homeopathy and wave to me because I don't get along with prescription drugs and over-the-counter medicine and it just made me sicker than I was at first and the homie apne. Just I could tell her what kind of symptoms I was having and she would give me something and it would just help to calm everything down and that was huge and lovely thing about Homeopathy is that they want to have understanding of what's happening in your whole body. So they really listened to you deeply and they want to know every detail and it helps you to get in touch with yourself and it also helps you feel really heard and supported and Homeopathy was just amazing for

14:16 And I don't think people realize that when you get into cancer treatment that is all just Western drugs, you know, prescription drugs and and radiation and things that are really toxic and harmful to your body and I don't think people understand that when you're single or even if you have a partner, but they're not very available. It's a lot to manage to keep yourself up right when you're going through that and it's the kind of things that they do at Charlotte Maxwell that help keep you upright and help work on your quality of life in my experience. They weren't very good about giving me a lot of support from home like a social worker or anything like that and they didn't have anything available like acupuncture and things that do help to cut a suit all the things that are happening is your body's being assaulted by treatment and so Charlotte Maxwell is just like

15:16 The respite from the harm and that is so so important and I like Delia says, I hope that overtime people will realize that we're missing this big piece of care of Cancer Care by not having these kind of things like a place where we can talk honestly about what we're feeling without having other people get triggered either because they're afraid we're going to die or because they don't want to hear about it or whatever. The reason is. We can be who we are and get our emotional and mental and physical needs supported in addition to just having treatment thrown at us and that is just enormously healing

16:03 I so agree Tony. I bet I find myself because I like movement. So I find myself, you know Home Alone putting on music and dancing, right and I know you've loved dancing that life before we met and so I think maybe we'll have a dance class when we go back. Then we can have a group, you know, one day and we just dance or something right bronchus tackling you're talking about this but do the day that what when we do go from treatments, which is so amazing. We don't really get a chance to speak with a lot of people in each other people hadn't been that was more social.

16:54 Yes, that was a little bit more social but I didn't really meet anybody that I could call until we had the zoom. So it's been interesting Dynamic something that have change so good things and I think that when we go back to being in person he's going to be different than it was before in a better way. I think we're going to find a way that we can have more opportunity for community and for interacting and stuff like that because we discovered how important it was when we were on Zoom. So I do think that some good things are going to have come out of that. And when you were talking earlier about being able to move and exercise and different things like that, what is a good things about Charlotte Maxwell is is that they understand that were in various stages of healing and and health and disease and whatever and so most often

17:54 Things that they offer are very gentle so I might not be able to do some kind of cardio or something but I could do feldenkrais because he's just really slow gentle movements and the same with the way they do yoga. They'll do a gentle kind of yoga and and it's just more geared to us and if we just tried to go out in the community and just find some others knew I've even tried things that are meant for senior citizen and they've got some thirty-year-old teaching the class and she's Jumping All Around really fast music and there's no and I could do that right now. So it's comforting to have a place that understands where we are and gears things to what we can do, but you told us what we need what I never said to write that maybe more than one in every city. We are so much need definitely.

18:54 That's for the future for future Generations that provides on holistic healing services that Charlotte Maxwell does and that's so valuable particular when you feel so alone. I mean before covid-19 could touch before you is so comforting to have somebody put their hands on you and healing way because you don't have any human contact and that's a really important part of healing and some of the volunteers of Charlotte Maxwell are there because they've gone through a cancer experience themselves. So they have a level of empathy and understanding that you don't have to explain in-depth replace her going through because I've been there and because of that a lot of them have a lot of helpful tips to help you manage and I'm learning a lot of helpful tips myself before I started this

19:54 Cancer journey, I was holistic wellness coach and so I've had to come up with a lot of solutions for myself about how can I feel better when I'm having such a bad reaction to chemo and things like that until I learned a lot of chips. So when we get to support group, I'm sharing what I've learned and Delia knows a lot about Flower Essences. So she's sharing what she learned and it's just a healing healing community that is not present in any of my other arm cancer support groups, and that something really beautiful about Charlotte Maxwell.

20:28 But you can only say good things about Charlotte Maxwell me that I mean one bunk on because there's nothing bad to say how many volunteers we can only get so many appointments a month and for the kind of treatments that we're going through often times, we could definitely use more support and they have the bandwidth to give us and I know if they had more finances and if they had we're able to have more staff and more volunteers, they would be able to give us even more services because they're experts and what they do when they know how to do it. It's just a matter of them getting the funding to be able to do it if people are going to listen to this who are considering giving funding I can say. Yes, please please it's the most worthwhile and I've been on this cancer Journey for a year now and I've been to a lot of different cancer support groups in different organizations or whatever.

21:28 Charlotte Maxwell is in a class by itself a highly highly recommend them me to I second that everything is gonna said yes, give them as much money as you can because these are angels in our lives and and they just so supportive and everything that Tony said yeah, I love them all and also even though one of the latest Susie acupuncturist that I couldn't get my what did you do? She volunteered to deliver vegetables. She goes to the places where this food banks gets them. She's trying to help I think she said 200 people. Wow, every couple of weeks with a bag couple of bags of different vegetables and a few other things. I mean she didn't is stopped because she could have just laid back, right? Okay. I'm not

22:28 Working right now and let's have a rest but now you know and trying to get another lady helped who sleeping in a call, you know, they're just sleeping in her car and misses an older woman maybe in her 70s who has cancer and I was just horrified and so I hope you're up with a friend of mine who took years to find low income senior housing, but she did and you know you one person talks to another person talk to another person in Charlotte Maxwell helps her eventually. She found a good resource and now she's in a program where she's in a safe place, but imagine how many other people there are even have a safe place to live and they have cancer.

23:26 This is a different lady. But do you mean that we met on on the Zipcar, right? Yeah after a room in my house and take it in the end and you know at Tony with many of the things like if you watch the truth about cancer or any of these programs of a concept that usually tell you the people that have healed and stayed healed I ones that get social interaction and get support right? It's something to look forward to one of the reasons she gave me why she didn't come into my room was because I do have cats and she said eventually I want to have a dog and I think it was her mind projecting something good for the future so that she could have something to look forward to

24:26 Understood that Chelsea said I think you probably feel responsible for me. I found out first about Charlotte Maxwell because I practice and energy medicine called ginseng Jitsu and some of my colleagues were volunteering at 4, Amex. Well, that's how we first heard about it. But then I became friends with a woman who had had cancer for nine years and she had been going to Charlotte Maxwell for 9 years. So she knew the resources of Charlotte Maxwell in and out and then once I met her she was cancer-free for five years, but what I didn't know until I joined Charlotte Maxwell myself, is that when you join Charlotte Maxwell you joined for life. So no matter what happens to you that's like a family and a lot of us don't have family either because of geography or because of circumstances and that in itself gives you

25:26 Tremendous sense of belonging and sense of community support. So, you know, it's mostly being friends and especially with moving from another country. That was a huge thing in itself is living in this country has been rather challenging because she'd be to teach episode to use she was a professional woman and she had done what the lawyer told me not to do is go to court about her home and a fortune to church believe the husband that he had nothing and gave him the house. I was told not to do that so I didn't but

26:24 I'm still trying to pay my mortgage but. Some of the sorry, but but basically she was she had been paying for everything all that time. And now she's living in a call so bad things happen to good people and I think that's one of the things about having cancer is that I've learned a lot.

26:47 I mean I knew about homelessness and things before we all know these things Begley people talk about them any kind of watches over you but but being so close to homelessness myself. I've realized just how is that can so easily happen to a person very much during chemo because I was so sick, but I'm self-employed so I couldn't get disability. And so I was looking forward to going back to work after my surgery and then we had covid-19 to not an option for me to go back to work and I had a month or it's like I don't have enough money to pay my bills and that's that's how close people are the homelessness and any puts a face on it and a reality on it. And I think that Charlotte Maxwell is very very aware of the problems and the issues and if they could find more support

27:47 More funding they would be a perfect Avenue to support more people.

27:53 Exactly, and if tried to give me names, you know places to call which I have done. I mean, I always follow up but there's always some reason why I think 1 years ago.

28:07 Maybe three or four years like I did get $500 from a charity. But you know if they do that best to find people but it's limited money in the world. It's not really but they can't I do find things like that night. They got the tickets for the concert and able to go and have some pleasure. We wouldn't have been able to afford to buy tickets to a concert by to be able to do something festive in and joyful like that that was really good for our spirits. And that was really nice thing to do. It supposed to my birthday as well as though it was really enjoyable to go out and I got a lift car. So I was I could get there as well. So it was fun. Yeah, they do fun things for us are always thinking about it. They're always I know that they are.

29:02 There always thinking about is what more they can do Under the constraints of not being able to have us physically come there anymore. So I think they're working even longer and harder than they used to so kudos to the staff because they are like our little guardian angels are big Guardian Angels. That's the case. Maybe yes, I definitely

29:38 And hopefully growing Consciousness and that healing his opportunity you're having cancer as an opportunity for healing on all Body Mind and Spirit and

29:56 Yes, because they think now it's going to be one. Is it one in three women and wanting to man or the other way around you know, I suspect all the knowledge that we learning. It's going to be helpful as well to help with a people.

30:17 At that's what it's one reason why I bought some of the videos of the different programs that are usually the traits of a cancer in time because because everyone that's got, so you should just the same protocols and to know that you can get support with alternative things to help you through that Journey. Most people don't know about that really keeping us up, right?

31:04 I think it took me several months text to get into the Charlotte Maxwell Clinic. I was waiting a while because they also busy, you know, you're trying to help so many people but grateful laundry lucky that I live pretty close. So it wasn't hard the city give taxi vouchers. And so I was able to take a taxi voucher or sometimes I could just get one of the neighbors to visit me over there because it's not that far. I'm in Oakland and it's in Oakland because I was too sick from chemo to be able to drive but I'm so glad that you were able to get some Transportation. That's a whole extra benefit and it just shows you how when they see a need they do their best to fill it.

31:50 Yes, it's really no parameters on how many different ways they can help their clients.

31:58 That so the is going by and soon they'll be open again. We hope and pray that will be fine.

32:08 Extra phone now because we'll know more people because we see him all them exactly be able to see them in person having a rough day. I'm so happy to see Lacy with her flower in her hair just like perks me up my hair first one back in I tried to put a flower in my hair, but I didn't have enough there for it to stay as a flower essence practitioner. I should I always forget that we can remember what we're supposed to do because we have chemo brain and yeah, we are learning and teaching all the time in our community at the remarkable how people can stay so positive going through what they're going through. There's no way you could ever feel sorry for myself having cancer because I

33:08 Not only do they have cancer but maybe they have diabetes or maybe they're on dialysis or maybe they have a heart condition or maybe there a single parent raising a young child and it's like wow. Wow. Wow. Yes Chinese lady neuropathy smile. Yeah. Yeah and in English isn't even her first language and she's there trying to understand us and trying to participate and she understands is pretty much we were trying to get her in the community. But that's just one of the beautiful things about Charlotte Maxwell is that where there with love and concern for each other and it doesn't matter whether or not we speak the same language smile is the same in every

34:10 Yes, it is. I felt Pacific. Day that my heart was like broken fire. I was I was I want you to hook it right that's going to be the best part when we go back to Charlotte Maxwell and we can hug people again.

34:28 Oh, yes it when my son came down last weekend for my phone was like don't come you know, we're going to unmask song haven't seen you since Christmas, but I can hug you and

34:42 Yeah, this is crazy. I know but yesterday the doctor whenever my labs and she said your regular accounts not quite up yet. And your leukocytes are not lymphocytes are not quite up yet. She said she still need isolate so forth being careful. We don't want covid-19.

35:18 A nice to talk to you Tony. Yes. I think we're very blessed to have made this connection. That is one of the Silver Linings of our cancer is that we met each other and we made this friendship and we're both Night Owl. So if we're up really late and we're feeling kind of lonely are coming down we can text each other and there's not very many people you can text it midnight would be sold off. We've got to get to bed by 10 and I used to do that when I was working but it just seems like my whole routine is changed and are changed by what's happening with us and it just feels like when it's dark and nighttime quiet, it's just I like that time. If not always did when I was in Earnest and I was doing like night time, so don't get me wrong, but

36:18 That's true. That's true. We do what we can do to us. I was up there is a Ph.D program in patients and staff and the Deep dive the really really deep. Johnston Co be together right to seize together and we'll need it and you happen to have your surgery right before?

36:54 And then not only do we have cancer and covid-19 have a heatwave and now we have smoke from the fires in California doing that depress. What is supposed to cycle water price for California? It's because help right away and too much water sliding too much are hurricanes and whatever and we just need to put our thoughts and our energy on the elements coming back into balance.

37:37 Exactly. I put planet has been suffering so badly. Yes balance is all about its balance. And that's what Charlotte Maxwell helps us do is, you know, give us a lot of different supports in a lot of different ways so that we can get our equilibrium back and it's a long road.

38:02 It is it is melania's be going on but we thought that support so soon will be the end of the year will be back that we can we can have more people go and we can get the appointments that we love our be great. I haven't had since covid. Have you by my schedule for any yet?

38:30 Do they were talking about getting a homeopathic appointment?

38:41 But I did get updated Sachi acupuncture is managed to get me at some sent they ones that I was given last year Well 19.

38:54 Yeah, yeah, is that what you're saying? But she sent me the same remedy because it was in that files to send me some more so that's good and hope that we can see the homeopathic and then we can see if we still need to take a text to mine and I asked her if there was anything I could do to help with the smoke and she said herbal things would probably be better for that than the homeopathic. Well, if you have any questions, let me know. Text Monkey mine was so sweet. She said to me do you have an air purifier? And I said no I ordered. It hasn't come she said I have an extra one. I'm going to put it on my front porch you come and pick it up she loan me and arrow until Lion King.

39:50 How many people are there just all heart?

39:55 Yeah, that's just something right now.

40:01 Yeah.

40:06 Stop sign for our afternoon absinthe.

40:11 Not going to happen now cuz I'm just joking. I went and got in my bed. I slept for 3 hours. I was so tired. I just got knocked down by the Heat and the smoke and everything.

40:22 Right, and I think I have a day when I'm tired like this. I think well, I just push it on and maybe get to bed earlier and get back in the bedroom.

40:33 Tried I haven't done it yet. Have you have you succeeded with a getting to bed earlier though? Because I get it. So I think I'm getting ready for bed. And then I completely forgot what I'm doing. Give me to start doing something else and then it's like two or three hours later and it's like fully was just such and such a time is like

40:53 I know it was last night and I saw all these carrots that I'd wash to juice right do it in the morning. We'll know in the morning. You're going to be on my phone call and then you could have been a phone call and you know, you need to do it now. So I did it anyway, so I went to my Jensen Jitsu and I figured out to come home and be here in time for this call, but I didn't figure out to Leave Myself any time for lunch afterwards. That's what I'm going to do not firing on all cylinders.

41:36 Patches the camper Journey but would still firing was still doing absolutely we are yeah, definitely.

41:49 Yes, love it's always good when we talked that we can say things that are household in Charlotte Maxwell because they've done so much for us.

41:57 Tell anybody how great Charlotte Maxwell I've told many people in my life and I don't know about Charlotte Maxwell all my friends and I just need to meet some people that got us a lot of money and damage your heart and she passed just a few weeks ago, but instead of people getting flowers or something like that. She asked them to make donations to Charlotte Maxwell, so I'm pretty sure that's a really good idea.

42:35 I suck me and I'm thinking of doing that myself because I keep sleeping Tasha and it will yet and then you look at that music look so complicated right making a well some are in the state of California. You can write your own will in your own handwriting and as long as it's faded and whatever is legal and so before I had my surgery I wrote my own will

42:58 That was a good idea. We all have way more things to do than we have time and I'm sure Charlotte Maxwell had more funding been find a way to get us support for those kind of things because they understand how difficult it is for us with chemo brain to do the business of life.

43:26 Still doing pretty well, right? It's really remarkable. And I mean, I feel like I'm in my life. This is my Constitution. I'm going to survive this and it takes strength You Got A muster everything that you got and you got to have a sense of humor because this is much too bad to take seriously if I should be able to look at the light side. You got to be able to just take a break sometime and just take it easy.

44:00 I agree cuz I had several every day this last we honestly I don't need to go into details for every single day. Something happened. I was like, okay, I'm going to deal with that. How am I going to do with that. If Addison topping I did to Flores and so did something right? I was breathing I was doing grounding. I went out walked on the grass to grab myself. I did these things and use these tools that I know and then I somehow doubt me to know the saying and so we do that right at me to take the class. They had in Charlotte Maxwell. There was some kind of guided meditation and EFT tapping.

44:44 Yes, I did. I did want my couldn't take it. Is it good?

44:49 I only did one and he did the first one and I think I think it's difficult for them to do a Groove and I don't know because I haven't done it since then if my sleep problem. I didn't put an alarm on and so I slept in for it and fight. I know the protocol for it and I think it's it would be easier for a person to do that one-on-one because you can't do it with a group when you very experienced.

45:31 But you see everyone's got a different issue. And so she has to do something. That's kind of global right and it can be for everybody and that's fine. That's a good thing and can feel which, after I love you long time to schedule be on different days and I can try more thing.

45:59 I think I think that one's on a Monday Monday at 11. I get a chance and just do

46:05 Right. That's why you haven't done it last week as well. So I got that got that on me cuz I know that you have T9 do schedule things in.

46:32 All in Clements we have when we're on a healing project.

46:37 Yes, exactly. So

46:41 Girl doing that best everyone's doing the best.

46:45 Absolutely. I think that we have said everything we can say today.

46:52 Maxwell and sincere thanks to all the work they do and all the people who have contributed to making that program what it is for us.

47:10 Yes blessings and love to the mall.

47:16 I never thanked you for what you do? Absolutely.

47:21 When we go back, we'll give you a big hug lots and lots of big hugs.