Donna Runnels and Judith Camuso
Recorded
August 31, 2023
Archived
August 31, 2023
54:52 minutes
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Id:
osh000029
Description
One Small Step Conversation partners Donna Runnels (71) and Judy Camuso (53) talk about hunting, guns, feminism, abortion, sexual harassment, wildlife, and nature in Maine.Subject Log / Time Code
Donna Runnels (DR) and Judy Camuso (JC) discuss hunting and fishing, and critique the idea that Maine is run by big game hunters.
JC talks about being the first female in her position at Inland Fisheries and Wildlife
JC talks about hunting with dogs
DR says she loves animals more than people.
JC talks about her dad dying when she was four, being one of six kids, how this taught her to be independent and happy.
JC asks DR about her opinions on guns and professional experience in law enforcement.
DR talks about working in prisons, her husband carrying a gun.
DR talks about disliking guns, mentions her foster son and his love of guns.
JC talks about the first gun she held being at the agency she works at now. DR jokes, "Your mom didn't pack?" JC says her coworkers "carry guns like she carries chapstick."
JC talks about a new program teaching formerly incarcerated women and domestic violence survivors how to build confidence by becoming outdoor women.
DR says people on the left think she's far right, people on the right think she's far left.
DR talks about her political ideologies. Doesn't like gov't handouts or abortion when used as birth control.
Participants discuss abortion and gay marriage/rights. Donna changed her opinion after attending church.
DR talks about hating pronouns, JC agrees she is still learning how to be respectful in regards to pronouns and how she would never want to hurt anyone's feelings.
JC talks about being raised Catholic.
DR says her dad had 12 children, Danish Lutheran church.
JC asks DR what brought her to Maine. DR says, "I love the moose."
DR talks about wildlife in Maine, seeing mountain lion, the calendar where she notes animal sightings.
JC talks about the importance of a college degree, how going through higher education taught her to be independent, and gain social experience
DR talks about wanting to go to college, how her mother wouldn't let her go. Says parents need to stop pushing kids in one direction or another.
DR discusses military involvement.
DR talks about Vietnam, veterans. How parents infantilize their kids when they drop them off at college saying, "My baby!" Says they need to quit whining and think about how it feels to send your kid to war.
DR says she doesn't consider herself a feminist. Finds women's marches a bit offensive. "Why are the vaginas important?"
JC talks about microaggressions she experienced at work because of being a woman in a male-dominated space.
sound gets bad for a moment—interference in the background of JC's office?
Participants discuss bra burning. "I don't want to burn my bra but I'd like if it bras went away!" (DR)
DR says she worries sexual harassment rules have gone overboard, how you used to just accept them as a compliment.
JC talks about sexual harassment at work.
Participants discuss JC's role, hierarchies, and management styles.
DR talks about how her husband's father was disabled, his kids would illegally trap animals and hunt in order to provide food for the family, and how the game wardens knew but let it slide.
JC talks about vegetarianism
JC talks about her hopes for the future, more people spending time outside, focus on commonalities, common concerns.
DR talks about wanting to see bear baiting ended, getting back to the way we used to be, political consensus.
Participants talk about how if you eat together you're more inclined to listen.
Participants
- Donna Runnels
- Judith Camuso