Erin Blinn-Curran and Donna Distefano

00:04 Hi, my name is Donna De Stefano. I'm 46 years old. Today is Monday, November 4th, 2019. And we're in Dallas, Texas and my interview partner is my friend Aaron.

00:20 My name is Erin blinn-curran. I am 40 years old. It is Monday, November 4th, 2019. And we're in Dallas, Texas and my interview partner is my friend, Donna.

00:34 Erin hey Donna, so I guess I should all start cuz I initiated this when I saw this and it worked out that you would be visiting I guess it makes sense when we talked about this a little bit to talk a little to talk about how we became friends cuz I think we were really not friends when we started running together like we met a couple of times but but we hadn't really we really didn't get to know each other which is kind of is that how you remember that is how I remember I remember coming and doing Nadine's newborn photos and we talked a little bit about running then and then I came back for her next photo session when she was about 6 months 6 months old and doing

01:25 Some more some more photos and then somehow that turned into a conversation about running and we decided to go on a run together which now I look back and I'm like it's insane that that worked out because he know I'm running is so specific to your face and how far you're going and all of that and and then you feel like the first you have to like the person and I feel like very quickly. We formed a really solid friendship really just based on covering a lot of miles together exactly. It's so funny because I can't remember where we went first. If we ran in everywhere in Oak Cliff first, or we went to where you were living in Mid Cities in Arlington, but it got easier when you move here and then of course, but but even happened I couldn't remember I couldn't remember how

02:18 If you came that we were kind of like it started out. We saw each other a couple of times and then it was like every week we were seeing each other one or two times for hours. I remembered I don't remember all of the evolution of all of that. But I remember once we realized we like to run together that it would be good for me to try to schedule my photo sessions around times when we could potentially fit in a run and I remember packing cuz we lived about 30 minutes apart of the time. I remember packing clothes to take a shower at your house and then go on to do photoshoots after we went running together.

02:56 And one of the things I feel like very quickly gained from running with you cuz you have more running experience than me when we started running together was the confidence that I could train for a marathon and then I could train to run it well.

03:10 Because you had just done it and many times and it wasn't like you told me I owe you could do this. It was more like

03:19 You encouraged me that I was totally capable of really really succeeding and I am very grateful for that.

03:27 That was pretty cool. It was that first one was not the greatest 2013 and I guess but it's it's funny because you're saying I have more experience that I had done more but this point and I still done more but you're you pass your faster now.

03:54 I guess so it is kind of cool and literally every time I run a marathon I have the I'm not exaggerating this great gratitude that you

04:09 I feel like you gave me that I've done even just saying that it's true.

04:15 Because I was running a ton but I did not think I could do it and I had come out of this terrible relationship that was not helpful to my self-esteem and running really helped rebuild that and you really gave me a lot of confidence. I'm glad it's funny because I think about it. It's like that first one. I wasn't even there because it was canceled and then judge me to find a place for you to go and we'll even that you help me find a marathon the first marathon. I was going to run with the Dallas Marathon the year was canceled because of ice.

04:55 Dallas weather

04:59 Yeah, then you can stay with Enid that's right. And

05:04 They're going to ask us when we planned when we ran or going to transfer for errands first. Marathon. I'd run my daughter was born the year before and I'd run that Marathon the year before so 2012 and then we were training to run it together, but I was like not as into it. I was just kind of like running it because you were running yet. But you know the process is your ghetto building up your mileage the whole time and the long runs are just hard mentally more than physically I think because you're running you're always running a little bit more than you've ever run before if it's your first marathon and you have to kind of put a lot of faith in the process that if you can run 20 or 22 miles a few times, you'll be ready to run 26 and I think that was the key part is we did all of those long runs together we did and

06:03 I'm here and I'm pretty consistently at a good pace and and then during the week we would get together a couple of times but it was really those those long rides and it's it's fun. Cuz if it's interesting such a great way to build a friendship because you're there you're out on your out for 3 hours or however many hours depending on how fast or slow you run to me. I guess if you're running a 4 minute pace here to your girl there for so long and you kind of talk about your family and your friends and current events and I mean everything and it's just kind of get passed out because there's nothing else

06:40 You can do it. It's it's an interesting way like as an adult. I think it's hard sometimes to make new friends. And yeah when we met I was in my late thirties, and it was really nice to meet a friend and it was also nice to meet a friend who wasn't somebody who was like a new friend because I was a new mom. Yeah, and that's like when you have a kid, do you wind up with all of these like we're all mommy friends and we talked about the mom stuff and as much as I was happy to be a mom. I didn't really

07:09 Connect with that as much but I wanted to do you want new out out lessons. You're saying it helped you but it also helped me to be like I still have my whole myself that separate from my identity of medians. Mom and like running has always been that for me yet. Is it something I do that's mine. And I think so when we were training for that first marathon, the other thing that happened like we ran those long runs together and we were also running that there's a summer 5K series Dallas or there was at the time and as we were running that 5K series between running with you and doing that series. I was realizing it might be possible for me to qualify for Boston at my first marathon. And so we did a lot of talking about how to run

08:01 For a pace, but I'll write still kind of enjoy it.

08:04 And that's all that was going on on one side. And then there's the conversations you talking about on the other side where we were doing this hard task of trying to train for a somewhat fast. Marathon. And I feel like I was such a lofty goal one that I did not reset my first marathon, but that's okay. Thanks, but my identity. I mean that's that is a thing that you just said about Parenthood. That's true. I am not a parent and I wasn't apparent then obviously cuz I'm still not now but I was single and most of my relationships were formed in my family. And then also in the church that I was involved in that the time in that was very much rooted like it felt like such a big piece of my identity but wasn't my whole identity like you said and running that is the same for me as you just said for you is very much a thing I do for myself and really that's it. It's not and it's and somehow that doesn't feel like a selfish thing because I know it's good.

09:04 Physically, it's good for my mental health. It's good emotionally and I feel like I'm my best self when I have that kind of physical activity. Yeah.

09:17 But because and my friendship with you particularly, but other friendships have gained running as well. They are different friendships than I have with people I meet because I work with them or

09:28 I go to church with them or whatever or have like couple friends even though now we are that but yeah, we didn't have enough common ground to become friends apart from running at the time and the people we met through yet. We don't really talk to you very much anymore. So it's kind of funny friendship with you from a connection that you know over the years has kind of gone away. Yeah. I mean we see them in passing, but it's not. But no, not at all.

10:01 This is going to ask a question cuz we have have any that's why we don't have to keep talking about running we can talk about other stuff, but it's like so much of our friendship is when we've been running.

10:15 I'll tell you mine and then I'll ask you the question. I think I was thinking about the runs with you. I remember the most and it's funny cuz there's races like I remember that we did the Cowtown half and there is ice the ice everywhere yet and I was like, I can't even believe that this has happened yet. But the one I remember the best I think it's probably the last run before you got married.

10:43 And I don't know if I can.

10:48 Remember like you were you were just excited and it was like such a great time for you. And you know you were you were moving so I was kind of sad but happy for you and that was weird because we didn't even like really you were going to go away and we got to say goodbye on the street. We both ran home. It wasn't even like we were like, let's get a coffee and celebrate getting married without forgot. I feel like I was in the fog of getting married then cuz I don't that's funny. I just run around and it's funny cuz it's all on the same time cuz I think that was bad. It was like there was that ice that count am I staying and then yeah, and then you you got married right after that and

11:35 In March, but yeah, it it's just yeah, it's funny. But that's what I remember is. I remember other ones and I remember that we had a beautiful runs and seeing sun rises, but it was just like knowing that you were going to do this thing. That was wonderful and I was happy for you and then it was going to change like you were going to move which is absolutely what you you're going to move and then you would you know, the routine would it would be different and that's kind of how life happens.

12:07 It's true. And initially I just moved across town and I still in the NIT. I feel like running was it had that it involved in the diet stayed with you guys. Sometimes when I came back to Dallas to work when I was going to need to be there late. I stay over in the mud run in the morning. And then when I relocated all the way across the country, I mean I have family here and I choose to stay with you which I find to be awesome to stay with. I mean that it's really absolutely true. Well, I'm in the one I remember the most not a great run is the one when I tripped and fell.

12:54 And we were running your teeth came out. Yeah. I had a really hard fall.

13:00 And I remember you just stayed very calm and it was a hard enough for like a trip while I was running and we were running in a class. So we were running fairly fast.

13:11 Cuz we are never dark. Yeah and dark and it kind of knocked the wind out of me. And I remember we went into that a bagel shop and you got me some napkins cuz my chin is bleeding and you just were very calm you like found somebody to drive us back to your car and then I came back to your house and you guys can help me get cleaned up and I decide to go to the emergency room and I just remember you being very calm and all of that and

13:44 Funny cuz that wasn't a super fun day, obviously and

13:50 I feel like that's really a distinctive of your person. I like you know how to handle a crisis. It's going to be. Okay. And yeah, I'm pretty yeah. Yeah, you were explaining this I remained I was, I do stay pretty calm but there was a lot of blood I thought you hurt your teeth and it wasn't I guess for the record it with your you hurt your chin. I think you had something on your eye and your eye and then you're broken ribs bruised bruised your house, but you weren't but like I went and I saw your face I was like, okay, I'm not going to react because I didn't want you to realize how much bladder was. Yeah, and then I was I didn't even need stitches. They just butterflied it but there is a lot but I got about that. Yeah, that's memorable. I mean, I think the the

14:50 I'm not sure when this run felt another run. I remember specifically is the first time we ran around White Rock Lake cuz I had never run there and I don't think I had run that many miles that many times at that point cuz it's about nine miles. Right and I had run a couple of haves when I met you but I wasn't regularly running more than 9 miles and it's because it's the loop and it's really beautiful and that's a long and a friend that you have a good conversation. No matter what or else you have a really quiet run.

15:23 So I do I remember doing that and feeling like a big sense of accomplishment. Yeah, I remember that to ya.

15:29 Kind of funny cuz like since you moved I have tried to run with a couple of other people at night. It's so hard cuz like you wind up with somebody who's like the right pace, but if I can't be with this person for that long without a distraction.

15:45 Yes, that happens. Well, and I think a few things that have happened because we run together. I read a lot more because you're a big reader. And so we have a lot of conversations about books and about politics. We have come from very different religious and family and political background and our views are pretty similar. However, I had them are pretty different and

16:10 I had no idea that doing something as random as finding a running partner would open those kinds of doors. Yeah, and now it's I feel like I have a really high bar for what a running partner should be. No, it's really hard. Like I love my husband and I run with him, but I honestly would rather go for nine days out of 10. I never wrong with my husband anymore.

16:43 He's a little too fast to slow.

16:48 That's so funny.

16:56 Other stuff

16:58 Oh, yeah.

17:07 You can just like talk to each other about it. Maybe how you fresh some of those gaps things you've learned is that I mean, so I'm not from Texas originally. I'm from New York. I'm the oldest of five kids. So what I thought was a big family until like my parents, but I haven't been religious in a long time. So I probably was I was raised in a religious family, but be going to church. That as soon as I was an adult and pretty my family, I guess it's pretty Progressive liberal and I think one of the things when I move to Texas it was hard because Texas is a little bit different from where from where I grew up in the background. I hadn't you know, when you move to Texas one of the things people ask you is if you found a church yet and it's hard when you're not looking in your kind of trying to find where it where do you fit so

18:07 When we mad, I guess I've been here for the first time we met.

18:11 First time we met was probably just before you an idiot. I was way before this is probably like three years after I've gotten here so I still kind of trying to find like my footing in terms of finding

18:23 Yeah, I'm finding a people who?

18:26 I could mean I guess in terms of Bridging the gaps I think of that I got older and is he I think in general as people get older even though you may be set in your own views and beliefs your kind of have the grace to meet people a little bit more where they are and I have 12 brothers and sisters I grew up in a very religious family super conservative in church all the time. I would say things are pretty black and white and my family's viewpoints and by the time I met Donna I was moving much more to the middle and now I've definitely moved much for their left, but I think what was great about our friendship at that time because you weren't from Texas and I grew up mostly in Texas. I was in Florida and Michigan and

19:20 Ohio for parts of my childhood, but released have been was here for most of my

19:26 Formative years in life

19:31 I just in Texas, it is hard to meet people who fall outside of that category. At least it was for me because I was so inundated with my whole life was too rich and family and because my family is so big they can they can take over everything and for better or worse and as we got to know each other and I have other friends now that definitely think differently for my family, but at the time I really didn't have very many friends who were outside of those boundaries of what my life looks like.

20:09 And so having some running makes for nice conversations with people you don't necessarily see eye-to-eye was that on everything cuz you're not looking them in the Iowa and you are going in the same direction kind of metaphorical this time. I know somebody it's like having a conversation and so I mean I can remember having particular conversations when we were running and I also think

20:34 If there were ever a thing we didn't agree on. I mean there's things we don't agree on what we're talking now if you're running because you're not looking someone in the eye feel like it is easier to give them Grace. Yeah, because it's true only time is when looking someone in the eye when you're talking to them is really important and there are times when it's valuable to just

20:54 You're doing a task. You're moving in a direction and talking about these big hard things. I mean when during the election cycle, yeah.

21:05 I mean

21:08 Neither of us are Trump you feel safe to say I feel like there was so much going on and it was it feels like our country is so divided and broken right now being able to talk about that stuff without almost without a filter because you're just running and it's not the only thing going on really help process some of the fear and grief and just my perceived sense of Brokenness in our country.

21:37 Do you think they'll like with your how you've evolved and changed? I need you think it's because of getting older. Do you think it's because of like New Perspectives? You think it's because of you know, when you're getting sick or moving or any of it, like what do you think has been part of that?

21:55 Some of it. I mean there's a specific thing that really changed my thinking with the church and it is when one of my friends came out to me when I was in my young 20s that really started a deconstruction of everything I grew up with but then as I got older and by the time I met you I I mean I was still pretty involved. I may have still been working at the church even if you were on so I was still working at the church at that time. I have only the first time we met yeah working at the fair yet cuz I remember you had to do something then I remember that too. I think that I do think when that happened.

22:32 With my friend Randy I realized there were some things that just because church have right and wrong figured out that were very not right about the church I grew up in but then also some of the ways I grew up my parents are so rigid. I mean, they don't even believe in birth control.

22:50 And I knew that was a little bit off. Right? Like I just it just slowly deconstructed, but then I when I met my husband and he was at the time a sober person eat since relapsed and now he's back in recovery a lot of the

23:12 I think that was a huge piece of the deconstruction of all these years just because there was no Grace for the page. He was on yeah, and then I got sick and I needed more Insurance than like.

23:23 I would have had access to in Texas or I had fears about not having it and the church was so opposed to the political views that would have made sure that I had health care that I needed because I'm a cancer survivor. I guess that's important information for that question and I was fortunate wasn't even super.

23:48 Yeah, I think it's interesting though because you you've taken that experience like all of your life experiences and kind of Applied them like kind of really thought them through and you've allowed you know, you've had the ability to for your views to change and to learn and grow and I think it's interesting cuz you see people who have these experiences that are similar to yours yet and are able to say will that person is different or. Situation is different but my views of right and wrong stay the same and I wonder what it is about. I wonder what how it look what's different like what how can you do it? How can you change it? Like you don't grow up a certain way and then have this broad set of use.

24:31 And it's it's it's just an interesting thing to me. I feel like it's one of those things about the human condition that I'm never going to understand. I don't understand it either because all I know to do is figure out the page. I'm on basic information I have which has changed a lot through the years. Yeah. I mean in the time I've known you it's a lot has happened. Yeah.

24:52 But what about for you cuz you moved to Texas and then it was from like it's interesting when we met we both lived in Texas and you were from the Northeast and now I live in the Northeast and you are still living.

25:05 Yeah, how is living here affected and changed how you view old timey. There's a there's a couple of things. I found a place that I really liked and text. So I found in our neighborhood. I like I have friends I like and then took a long time to build that was hard but the other part of it and I'm sure I've said this to you. I feel like it's important you are now I look at it and having my dad lived in different states in the Northeast, but I've always lived in the Northeast and I don't think you've got a great sense of how big and how different the cut in this country is until you live in a really different place.

25:45 It's it's just I feel like I have a I still struggle with it. I mean, I feel like I live in Texas but I live in a very small. I live in my neighborhood in Dallas and then this weekend but I go and I drive to different parts of Texas and I see how this is how it's

26:06 The rest of the state is not what I'm experiencing. So I don't even know if I can answer that that question but I feel like it's at this point. I'm uncomfortable with the life that I've built here, but it took a while it took it took years to get to that point and I don't want to it's funny cuz I like it. I don't want to move again and go through that again. Lots of someplace I really want to be ya. I didn't I didn't want to I didn't want to move here we moved here for a job. And I don't think I could do a movie gets rid of them. Only real benefit is a job again.

26:47 If it's not a place I want to live so I made as much as much as I'm saying. It's great to see other parts of the country. I'm totally

26:55 I feel like I've done I don't want to go to another part of the country that I don't want to live in. I mean, I'm sure I don't know if it doesn't really answer the question. I'm trying to think.

27:08 I think I have a little bit more willingness to accept people but at the same but they're then there's some people I just I just I feel like somebody's really in transit and transmission and won't change and won't meet me halfway. I don't really

27:26 A lot of times I don't spend a lot of time putting in the effort.

27:32 Girl have a very high-level cursory conversation with him. I find that to be very reasonable and fair. I think it's interesting and I hadn't really thought about this what you just said there were about moving and living in different parts of the country because now that I've moved to the Northeast and I've moved a few times when I was a kid, but it's not the same as moving as an adult and experiencing a different part of the country in a different way.

28:01 It definitely does. I feel like growing the ability to be to recognize that there are reasons there are differences of opinion and how some things go, but doesn't mean it's okay for

28:14 People that treat people badly or I mean, I feel like we have some major issues with racism and

28:23 Many social justice issues at this point.

28:29 And that's super challenging. And also there are these experiences people have based on where they fall geographically or what city there. And then I really appreciate learning some of those different things.

28:43 Although now that I'm not in Dallas, I don't know what that I missed that I miss Oak Cliff.

28:53 That's funny. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I mean, I think we'll be here for a while yet. I will definitely be here for a while and then I know it's funny that we we talked about where we're going to go next and I don't know.

29:08 Maybe back to the Northeast maybe someplace else. Maybe would you ever consider living abroad? Yes. Absolutely. Where would you want to go? I don't know. I really am and I think I don't know our language skills are not so great for a living in a foreign country, but I'm not sure but weak if the right opportunity came. Yeah, I think we would.

29:35 Yeah, I swear I would consider it. I mean when Trump was first elected. I thought we should move just to get out of Dodge. I would have considered.

29:48 Looking for a job out of the country for that reason alone. And now I don't actually think that's a great solution because I I want this country to be more whole than it is now and as a citizen here, I feel like I have some ownership of that. I would also move to have the experience. I don't think the US is like the be-all and end-all of how to do life and I

30:12 Like to experience some other part of the world has a home at some point. I don't know if it'll ever happen. I see it as a thing. I would like to happen.

30:21 I think it'd be pretty amazing. Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if it'll happen yet the job thing having to make a living makes it hard left a job. And now you're going to I don't know what I'm going to do. I would love to hear how you feel about not knowing what you're going to do. It's a little bit unsettling.

30:45 I've been I mean, I've worked my entire adult life and then even like before that I owe I've always had a job from the time I could work. I've always worked and it's a feel a little bit guilty because it is a little bit of a luxury to say I'm going to take I'm going to hit pause on work and find something I'm passionate about but you got a job and a career I had for so many years was never something that I was it wasn't what I thought I'd want to do. I mean I got on a path after graduate school and kind of kept getting jobs and stay on that path and it was interesting and I mean, I'm good enough at it, but it was fun and it was fine, but

31:26 You know what? I look back you do it if I do this for another 20 years if I look back on my career, it's great. If it's giving me a nice life, but it's not like I haven't really contributed anything.

31:42 And I don't know if that's who I want to be so I don't get this. It's a challenge. You know what I to figure out like what do I do next? Do I take a year off and then go back to what I was doing or can I use this year to find something and I'm trying to figure out what that thing is, but it's hard like it's hard to figure out like how do I take the skills that are very specific and very next to one industry and find a place that is not where I'm able to kind of contribute right away and something that I'm passionate about and I'm not sure how to do that. So I'm trying to make the right yam meet people and make the right contacts to figure that out. I don't know how it's going to work out.

32:26 And I would say just even in the last cuz it's been what 2 months almost 2 weeks so you don't have a job that's providing you with a paycheck or benefits. I do see you contributing to the greater good in the ways that you're volunteering and making yourself available to the school district and two different social justice Arenas that I think that's really important work. I mean obviously a paycheck is also important a text. Yes. I'm putting myself out there. I'm meeting people I wouldn't have met when I was working. You're always yours either work or you're doing all that stuff some able to make new contacts me people that are that are doing interesting things. And you know, it's the first time I've been able to pick up my kid more often and tell her I can chaperone a field trip if she wants me to and that's you know, if I do that

33:26 4-year, that's kind of nice.

33:29 Yeah, I bet you feel like I'm contributing yet. But it's it's a it's a it's a blow. It's a blow to my ego in a little while to not have her paycheck after having one for so many years. It's it's weird. I understand that I think.

33:49 And you're doing it. So I respect that. Thank you. I read I really do because I mean from my vantage point when you chose to leave a good job because it was you were.

34:04 Unhappy with the way things were going there and a lot of people don't have the courage to do that. I didn't want to look back on that. I never I mean but it is also look like I'm lucky that I have a supportive partner and I have and I have the ability to be able to do that and imagined it and I know that's like not the position that most people are and but it's really, you know, it's nice. I don't know how health insurance isn't all of our car versus through Ralph and it's that part is nice.

34:41 But I hope I find something I don't see myself not working. No, I don't either I don't see myself not like being like this is it I'm retired.

34:50 I don't know but it's it's hard to figure out what I do.

34:55 It'll be interesting. There's a lot there's a lot of work that needs to be done. The problem is a lot of it when you when you stop working you realize how much of the of what makes things work is people who volunteer. Yeah, like all of these things that are interesting and community activities that are valued and people want to have their are done by people who are who are volunteering and there has to be time for that. Somebody has to have time for that. Yeah, which is

35:26 Challenges

35:29 But what do you hope to get out of this. Where you're at it while you're figuring out what kind of rekindle a passion for my work?

35:47 That's what I'd like to do and you never find something that that I can break him. I feel like I can work for the next 15 or 20 years him and

35:59 The energize that what I'm doing instead of feeling drained every day that

36:04 And I mean, I understand that you're not going to feel nobody feel energized everyday, but you are feeling really good at the end of you know, overall instead of feeling like God to beat down Beatdown everyday. I mean, I I feel like right now I'm in a job where I have that that is energizing and I enjoy the work I'm doing I'm photographer and I work for children's hospital and I

36:30 Yeah, I had no idea how valuable it is to have that and so I really hope that that's where you and I think it will I think you will too cuz you also are you know how to go after things? I mean to Circle back to running they your goal oriented and you know how to challenge yourself and I think you'll find your way I think so. I don't feel like you're like a lost soul.

37:03 Guess we're finishing up. Yeah, we're almost done. I think so. No, we're not something that you're really proud of what you've accomplished in your life.

37:21 Sure.

37:23 That we accomplished yourself, okay.

37:29 If you have something you should go.

37:35 Trying to think of one movie started off talking about running and I said some things where I've been goals that I said that I accomplished but I think probably more so

37:46 What I'm glad about what I feel like I've accomplished in my life if I feel like right now I'm pretty comfortable with most of the relationships I have with people who are close to me and that's that's good. I feel like I am not perfect as a partner or is it mother or is it a daughter? But I feel like I'm uncomfortable with it. I didn't had a hard relationship with my dad and some ways but before he died, I feel like I was comfortable with that relationship and that was really important to me.

38:19 So

38:21 I would say that.

38:25 I'll see if I think of something else I lie.

38:30 Oh my this thing that really comes to mind actually that I most most recently really proud of actually is running related because I

38:41 After I had cancer I said the goal of qualifying for Boston for the second time and the marathons I ran afterwards the first two were so hard and then this last year in May when I ran in Vermont and I had a really great run it felt I still think about that and it was really one of the best days of my life in part because of what I've been going on. My marriage has been hard. It's right now good but it's been very hard. My family has been hard and my I mean Cancer the bad deal and it felt like my body head.

39:21 Failed me when I've taken really good care of it and to come back and be able to run a better time and faster than I had one before and then get to go back to Boston. It felt like full circle in a way that I didn't know as possible and I feel really proud that I was able to do that work and you're so awesome to watch it was going to be like, oh my God, she's going to do it and knowing that and knowing how much it meant that was so it was so great. It was a good day and a great and that is such a great feeling it is

39:58 Gas

40:00 Well, I don't argue all the things you just said about your relationship to figure that stuff out running. Yeah, you do. I mean, that's the one of them. Definitely one of the top days of my life. 5 absolutely including like the big ones like getting there in the top five days in my life and for everything that you went through like having your knowing what went on and how hard the past few years have been. It was really fun to root for you. Thank you are a lot of people rooting for you. Thank you.

40:42 My phone is turned off and yet I hear it running. Sorry.

40:47 Oh my God, thank you. Thank you.