Harry Frieze and Phillip Journey

00:01 Record, my name is Jess freeze. I am 75 years old and they stayed is August 27th 2020. I am in Edwards Colorado, which is about 15 miles west of Vail Vail is still a journey and we're working with one small step partners.

00:33 Awesome. My name is Philip journey, and I'm 64 years of age day is August 27th. 2020. I am in Wichita Kansas. I live in Haysville. That's how you say it when you leave there how you say the name of my partner is just free. I hope I got that right and thank you so much. And you know, I'm here with the record one small step.

01:03 Okay, I guess the first question feel is what did you want to do? Why did you want to do this interview today?

01:11 I thought it was a wonderful principal and a unique opportunity to try to bridge the

01:21 Tribalism that we see in our country and you know how we do it. We do it with one relationship at a time. It's like anything else in life. I've always enjoyed storycorps and I thought this was a unique opportunity and I wanted to participate and needed to be able to carry on a civil conversation with one another and I was interested in what common ground cover in our basic believes we could find together. So I got you know again, we've all are too much tribal. We got to be able to wear all Americans. We all support the United States surely we can come in some type of understanding.

02:10 I guess I'm supposed to read your bio out loud next to fill. It's pretty impressive. If I could get my wife agree with that Phil is currently serving as a district court judge from 2008 that the president from 2003 to 2008 that he was in the Kansas State Senate 26th district is president of Wichita Pachyderm Club 8 years president the Kansas State Rifle Association elected to the Kansas Republican party State Party Committee over 20 years.

02:56 Alternate delegate to for Bob told to the Republican convention in 1996. Currently the CEO of family business for each volunteer Arkansas Hunter education instructor, you know the question I had after reading your profile, which is is very involved in the Republican party you been active in in for over 20 years obviously based on your bio what compiled you to become so involved

03:30 Call well.

03:33 Okay, so when I was in law school, I went to Oklahoma City University School of Law in okay. They had like a Miss America there when I went right there and she forgot who I was as soon as you want. But you know, I had to write a dissertation and I didn't know everybody else was just kind of like picking what they've learned and add a few cases and kind of embellish it a little bit and after three semesters are constitutional law. I said what have they not taught me and nobody had ever. I had one summer class all it was was first amendment issue. Nobody never even mentioned the Second Amendment so about that and they had the Congressional Record that are pretty good Library their school records. I pulled the record for the 68 gun control Act and the 1986 Reform Act and just read the test.

04:33 It presented in advocacy of different provisions and ultimately came to the conclusion that the what had been accepted in legal thought that it was a collective right now kind of like a collective Farm. Nobody owns it that the state had that right at that but individual didn't and then when I read everything the founding fathers Red Road in The Federalist Papers in their own personal writings and letters and things that were fortunately summarized in there and pick that up from there are my experience was pretty much limited to my Daisy BB guns didn't enjoy very much and then I became interested in competitive shooting and so the disciplines are like i p a c

05:33 Sporting Clays in a high-power rifle so I'm a division of Civilian Marksmanship, which is a national federal government agency. I'm a master instructor in high-power Rifle competition and I've got guns that shoot a lot better than I do when you say hi power rifle. I'm just curious. What is an existence in the United States for over a hundred years.

06:04 I have 30 ought 6, see how everybody start out with 1903 Springfield and shooting out to a thousand yards with iron sights. Nope. Nope. Nope not have you done deer or elk or I thought I thought about pigs. They won't let us shoot pigs in Kansas. That should remind me to go to Texas. Yeah, if I could just get away right now. The other plate is so full now.

06:47 Recover from The Cove at set off any giant. I'm a jet that district court and it's pretty scary and it's a mess. What kind of right now I'm doing family law. I've had two years of criminal jury trial. I ran the traffic department in our County which is the largest city in the state. So now that's doing everything the highway patrol in the sheriff has any County of half a million people a year 800 DUIs 1500 probation violation to your way out that way right now. I'm doing family law. Let me let me follow up on my question though, obviously.

07:31 The Second Amendment is it is very dear and important to you. And is that the reason that make your difference between a Republican or Democrat?

07:42 How many bread is it how you got involved with a yes, if you look at my 1972 High School yearbook picture. I'm wearing a driver button because I knew her Crooks were back then OK every day. I have been approached to know because there are a lot of things that I developed a reputation in the legislature and as an individual that I try to find the issues resolutions by there, but we were they stand alone, you know in the state senate. I stood against attempts to got work comp for years and I kept them from destroying our work comp system until I left a 2008 and then they jumped all over it a year after that now it's hollow shell of what it used to be.

08:33 You know, it's up that dirt. There's two kinds of people and in politics their purest and pragmatists and I'm more of a pragmatic person. I want to do things at work rather than do things to prove a point. Sure sure. It makes us absolutely

08:55 One of my friends didn't like that.

08:58 Mad politics you can't please everybody to feel more into some other shift and that should be dresses by Ayo and Teo 2012. What kind of business will I had a company called the kitchen place? We were in Piccadilly Square Central and Rock Road, my father-in-law started that business in 1946, and I thought I was going to be a hospital administrator coming out of the Air Force. That's what I had done in the Air Force. They put me as a hospital administrator. I came back from Vietnam spending a year in Vietnam.

09:52 And I flew off to University of Iowa Duke and working University and

10:02 Spend a little bit more about the first semester and what university and decided that I didn't like the bureaucracy of the hospital administration had an opportunity to come to work with my father-in-law and so I joined him and 73 and bought the business at 82 and in a small business the only people that can fire you or your Appliance, so I wasn't concerned about being fired. We always were quite successful and we did work all over the United States my last job. I was in Sedona, Arizona, but I've done work and Connecticut Upstate, New York, California, Washington State's, Arizona.

10:47 It really is a matter of Phil. If you make your clients happy they refer you to other people or they or they will ask you to come do that second house, or if they moved by the client that the mood for Wichita that we don't have I done their kitchen and they moved to Phoenix or Scottsdale bought a house or and wanted to know if I come out and kitchen for a minute. I said only the winner.

11:20 Hahaha, so don't know it was it was it was a great career? So that was that's kind of where I have been, you know in reference to business. Thank you for your service.

11:38 We didn't get that when we came back from Vietnam deserves not something that that was it was a common refrain when we get when I got off the off the plane. So no, I know that was another. On our history were tribalism seem to rule if the people I was also talking to Sarah Jane and that's actually was part of the turning points in my life as matter fact. I can remember in the six. He's going to a goal daughter events in Wichita. Did your did you ever get that you go to that?

12:18 Go see there's there's there's over a decade bear in there is that's right now or I was in Vietnam that way but I my my parents are always Republicans. I grew up a microscope is probably for Richard Nixon when I went to Vietnam though. I had an overlap with and I went to East High School in Wichita. So there was always a 17% black and I knew that I didn't know them. Well, I had a month overlap with a guy that was black that grew up in Atlanta, Georgia and never wanted to come back to United States.

13:05 6/3 true and in Vietnam and at that point what you could do is if you were sent to Vietnam when you when you left at 9 you could request another post or are you going to stay so he always went back to Europe? And then when it came up time that he was going to lose European volunteer for Vietnam. Go back to Europe on tours Vietnam deal with the captains of time and had a masters in hospital Administration. He'd grown up went to a Catholic school in Atlanta got a good education, but she related incidents to me as a black man that I have never thought of and now we're probably seen some of that those interested.

13:54 But I was also an advisor. I was in Vietnamese. I am sure it was fraught with its challenges. What is the best of a bad guy or a bad? I was we were stationed in Saigon and until I took a course at Wichita State with John Draper. I am about Vietnam. I didn't realize there were there only 25,000 troops in Vietnam at the time I was there so it was pretty obvious that if you got killed at that time because we were pulling out there was no there was no way they were going to win that war. We were going to commit to it so

14:38 It was it was interesting that situation any other questions on my background.

14:50 So you were doing a construction doing interior remodeling father-in-law and the work and he always dealt with the Architects and at that time an architect would be doing a high-end house and we'd also be doing a school or hospital. So you would call him an architect and we did probably every hospital and Western Kansas in the 70s. We did I did designed and installed all the laboratory equipments. Add Coke and industries in Wichita at St. Francis Hospital. We kept the crew almost to routinely at Wesley hospital until they sold to HCA.

15:42 They had to EB with the contractor. EB had their favored, you know people that they knew that they can out on that would do the good job for him. And so I'm sure Jason Mason worth it was the ark Tek Wesley would say hey, we need a new operating room. So they would have Thomas Terrace Ashley Mason brought up that give it to EB quotes from all the subs in the middle 90s that particular company was called St. Charles was actually it was sold as slaves were sold to whirlpool in Consolidated and they didn't know what they had and it finally went out of business and we decided we tried to stay in the commercial business, but it was a generic product. We don't we start high-end residential work are average kitchen was seventy-five $200,000.

16:39 Fine, so we just said hey, I'll just we'll just a residential. So that's what we did until I sold the business at 11. So it it was people, you know.

16:56 And I'm sure you'd agree there to in 90% of the people were great people some of the people.

17:04 If they wanted you to do something else you'd say I I think I'm busy. What's the I got a phone call in 2013 from their CPA saying, oh my God feel you have to do something about their dementia had gotten so bad that. It took me four years to straighten all that. I am running it. I'm probably running in the ground, but I'm running it right now.

17:35 300 storage units. Okay, so constant struggle

17:41 Trying to get them empty if people abandon their stuff right there also have a shop where we repair tires should change oil and little things like that. So I've been well my wife. So okay days a week and we've got to keep up with the taxes and you know, it's it's absolutely your question is who has been the most influential person in your life. And what did they teach you?

18:26 I'll let you go ahead and give it that some thought and that would be the 4th 5th and 6th grade teachers. I had because I was in the pilot program for the gifted program at benefited me because it is really small Class A lot of time together and we were able to progress at our abilities and I just loved it till I got the junior high and I went back into the normal course and you know, I had my issues in high school because I was just bored to death other advocacy individuals that I have truly gotten a no.

19:19 Yeah, I mean I met several presidents. But yeah, you don't get to know that I think Bob Dole. Have you got to go on your honor flight yet? No, no, no, no, no.

19:40 Know the last time I went I went with my father in 2014 and Bob Dylan medicine now, we're doing Vietnam. They're already the other one very many in Korea and they're already doing Vietnam because there aren't any World War two guys know there are absolutely and so it was absolutely a wonderful experience for him. He did not stop talkin about it. I don't know about Colorado, but I know the Kansas group it was so well run. I was absolutely batty.

20:28 Call life is so tight when you retired bill when you sell all that businesses, if I get rid of a big-shot, you told me before we got started. You're getting a Tesla. I've got a bunch of old Volkswagens and Fortune with myself car was Volkswagen Bug only had 40 40 horsepower and it would go up the hill about 45 miles an hour if that's open up early. Just one I had was I had a 56 had the little bitty oval window in the back of my God. I love Dad. I wish I never said that but there's a lot of cars. I wish I never felt so good. Yeah, you can talk about cars more.

21:21 Later. Would you like to hear my my it was in that I think that I would they give acolytes to first of all with my mother was a school teacher and later was a school administrator and she instilled in me the question but never stop learning and I still take classes at Wichita State when I'm in the in the fall and winter. I don't know. What are you familiar with John driver?

21:57 Is a history professor in history Professor Wichita State and for free will actually it's continued education and you pay a hundred thirty bucks so I can I can I can add audit if I want to but the other person tonight that I would actually my father-in-law I was blessed to be able to go to work with somebody that was an excellent example of how you should do business and I think

22:41 Things that you know, I would go with him and we would go over to say Wesley hospital and when we were doing work there to see our cruise make sure how how we were rushing things for scheduled and so forth and cheap walk-in and maybe there was a guy for Evie that was sweeping the floor Sherman would know his name and stand and talk with him sit little bit and he gave him the same respect that he did Martin DB Charles all those other people that bet, you know, obviously on the company and so forth and I think that that respect for people and the fact that nobody is better than you are and you're you're no better than anybody else is I think was a big deal and and his ethics were Beyond reproach and I think that's why we were so successful.

23:41 He would basically lived his life by the Golden Rule do unto others as you would have them do unto you so those are the two people that I think probably made the biggest impact in my life.

23:57 The fourth one on here is could you briefly describe in your own words your personal political values? Okay. This is just like, it's Siri. Okay. So yeah, I think there's a strong case to be made that both parties have strayed from there.

24:18 Founding principles. I mean, I look back at the sea change in politics to be Ronald Reagan and the four principles of conservatives individual rights personal responsibility shrinking government and you know helping the size of the deficit and of course, he was pretty good on three out of four of those did raise taxes, didn't he?

24:49 He was more of a pragmatic conservative Republicans if people I talked to you today and politics on both sides of the aisle. I mean, I think we can both agree that the middle is becoming the boys. I agree gravitated to the tales of the parabola rather than in the Middle where everybody should not a collector and you know that people take their political beliefs like an article of faith is is a tragic lack of objective evaluation of what they're saying and doing in proposing and that is that is probably the most distressing thing at one of my great motivators for getting here today was to show that we can have a conversation that's it and, you know try to come back to

25:42 Trying to figure out what works. Can I pose a question that is political always stood for.

25:54 Reduction of deficits World Trade interests nature

26:01 Where do you stand today with the current Administration which has obviously you did a tax cut, but that didn't reduce the deficit actually ballooned it.

26:16 Okay, I just curious. I'm just curious. I got my first degree in.

26:23 Down and that was my minor was he cannot make Sarah counting and I'm not quite a Keynesian, but I'm certainly not a supply-side or so when we look at.

26:37 What has happened? I can only describe it as an evolution that we will see if it survives The evolutionary process.

26:49 It is significantly different. It's almost more of a populism that goes back to the turn of the 18th century to the 19th 19th and 20th Century in Kansas. When we had populous with, you know, the cross of gold and you know that I don't know if you ever been in the state capitol sure that recently that I have left early remodel.

27:18 Are the pictures all the wall is like all these guys with guns in the house chamber because there was a Tuesday were to slice popular said the Republican barricaded the door and all that and I'm like the only one that can look at the pictures. That's an 1897 Winchester. Yeah. I think there's some parallels to to the populist movement around that early nineteen-hundreds that flow through to the day it is kind of interesting.

27:55 You know it is it is difficult to

27:59 Go where the question leads because you know, I can't as a judge endorse can't afford to do that. Not a problem.

28:13 No can't do that. But that's a special rules. I have to buy.

28:26 Give me a question. I'm sorry.

28:30 Okay, okay. Okay. So briefly describe your personal political views. Well, actually that's in one statement. Isn't it? Probably say that all men and women are created equal and have the obligation to a better place.

28:55 Ino again what I was talking about my experience with Bill boglin in Vietnam with Dan my ass if I see when I came back from Vietnam, I was discharged and Travis Air Force Base school that fall my wife and I my wife's a French teacher, what's the procedure so we actually went to Europe for six weeks. We spent three weeks in Geneva. She took a French class. I took an international institutions and probably had 50 different to student Senate but they were students from all over the world Africa Asia Europe and it was interpreted into like a class moose on the second floor that you can see these people and they were interpreting all this into different languages.

29:53 So I saw the world through an African sign I saw the world through any Europeans eye of the world as they sought Asian excetera and I grew up in Kansas if you did maybe did also and you know, we get a little my OB in the united middle of the United States because we weren't associated with your live in France, you know, you know, you might be Sherman you might speak Italian or Spanish or something like this and you have other but up until you know, we had more of an influx of Hispanics, you know English was that's all you've taught. Anyway, I saw the world from a different views and went

30:39 You know, we we we as United States are not necessarily always right. They haven't they have an opinion and they have a fuse that might that makes sense to them. Now whether with our own special interests, it makes sense to us. That's something that we would have to talk about. But I think I probably that experience and my wife is also present at the sister cities of years in the late seventies eighties. We went to France to the Joan of Arc Festival in Orleans France on the first time. We went there. It has been going on for five hundred and twenty years and they'd only skipped one year during World War. I got to know.

31:26 I guess.

31:29 You know again, I became more by every World person as opposed to just

31:36 And I hate to say that America first we had good friends. We made good friends in Geneva with a a German couple fishing and we're not a Christian was a lawyer going to be if he was a lawyer and he was going to be a lawyer and he believed in the EU.

31:59 And even if they didn't speak English, I see my Facebook friends to German my wife interpreted for me.

32:08 It was really interesting to see his view of Germany at that time that could not acknowledge nationalism because they just came away from World War II and the atrocities that were committed by their country. That's where I kind of got my view. I have a big brother come Orion is his name. He's 11 years old right now. He is lives in poverty when I was at work with tomorrow, and I've been associated with trying for three years I have.

32:52 Disco baddiel has absolutely broken our ability to contact. I mean, I'm 75 years old. Here's an 11 year old who likes to play football and you know, I if I get covid-19, you know, who knows what happens if anybody in my courtroom, except one?

33:17 Since we've been doing everything by WebEx Cisco software that the

33:25 Let me tell you a little bit.

33:30 At 4 okay. I've got a day here locally, or wait.

33:34 Let's see Vivian is the oldest my wife's name is suyapa. I met in Honduras a White Freightliner all the way through Mexico and Guatemala the products down there to San Pedro Sula where she lived in Honduras and there were these two American doctors down there that had a children's doctor and they were trying to put a diesel engine in an old Bluebird bus because diesel fuel is much cuter than a Sally there because they don't have any other use for diesel. They can't use they don't need any heating oil. So, you know, it was a couple that mess and so I went into the auto parts store and I said, I need a clutch master and slave cylinder for a 7500 series 1964 GMC Bluebird bus chassis and they just went and she was a specially trained.

34:34 Secretary she had been working for this guy that had like seven auto parts stores and down to risk and she was the only one that can interpret.

34:49 Wait till they are taking my limitation on Spanish back. Then was donde esta cerveza at donde esta el Bano, you know, and so I can went back to school in the fall and she came to visit her aunt in New Orleans and dad. Look it's going to college and she called my dad and my dad said want to come up to WSU because they've got a great Intensive English Program.

35:23 She did and she got through the program there and that weekend. I went to law school at Oklahoma City University, which was the only part-time program. So I always came back and work Friday Saturday and Sunday and that's how we really got to know each other and and you know, one thing led to the other so we got four kids Vivian. They don't kill me. If I told you how old they were that she's the oldest we've got 12 year old granddaughter and a 18 month-old grandson with her and that's no lie Ellen and Dan Carroll, you might remember her she was on Big Brother and then she just had her first baby. We just missed his first birthday Donuts next to a New Rochelle were robbing want to see you and I are old enough.

36:23 She is trying to get into nursing school right now going to Washburn and then there's our son Derek. He's the youngest he's funny on his 18th birthday. He joined the Navy and then he told us.

36:34 No.

36:36 And he's like you're all so proud of him. All of them really. He is the only kid in Kansas to pass the test in 5 years. They made him take the test three times to make sure he wasn't cheating and so he is now a nuclear reactor operator and he had his first work is on the science guy and he said it went really well yesterday. He really speaking less than 5 minutes left in the chat might be a good one to kind of go a little deeper into the political side before we we run out of time and and then we'll see kind of where we end up. It doesn't have this off at 40.

37:36 We want to come in for that. You are any of those questions interesting to you guys?

37:42 Medical questions

37:44 Where they honor

37:46 Oh you mean that we're supposed to make makeup ourselves, oh you can makeup

38:01 How would you define the American dream and do you think it's a Chiva bowl for everyone in the US?

38:10 I think I think everyone's dream is different and a bird that's what it means by the pursuit of happiness because you have to go after what you believe will make you happy and whether that's owning a home or small business or becoming a community activist or you know, whatever you have to do with your Life's too short to be stuck doing something. You don't enjoy and that all comes back to educational Bill. If you don't have the education you don't have the ability to make those decisions that luckily you and I did have a question for me.

38:48 Do you die I really like this question. Do you ever feel misunderstood by people of different beliefs than you? I mean, I would definitely say an advocate absolutely all the time for me. But do you ever feel misunderstood by people with different beliefs than you and how so

39:15 You know, I

39:18 Do I feel?

39:21 I don't know that I run into a situation where I feel.

39:30 Misunderstood unfortunately, just like you mentioned it initially feel we own all live in our own little bubble. I show my bubble includes people that basically have the same beliefs as I do I was telling

39:51 Sarah Jean my brother lives in Dallas, Texas, and I haven't been able to speak to him. He we speak on each other's birthdays.

40:03 He is an avid supporter of trump.

40:09 I am not but even before then and maybe you can appreciate this and maybe not even before concealed carry was available that keep in mind that he and I hunted Upland game pheasant Quail, you know, my mother's grandmother grew up between RC and Winfield we could go down there and unfortunately Tara rice all week and all the animals were 22 gen are shotguns and so forth. So I would I would be the I would be the ability to have arms and to hunt and I think it's wonderful that you're doing teacher teaching people education.

41:05 I would not support AK-47 Shana Bushwackers things just ain't which I think which I got to get Mom and that was made to kill people and I would think that I would I would support some type of

41:29 Restrictions on automatic weapons and clips and things which nature and bubble water X Phil is I don't feel misunderstood misunderstood by my brother and I'm sure that he is I think you should do I think you should buy him a beautiful day in the neighborhood for Christmas. That was one of the most movie.

42:02 Tom Hanks should get an Oscar for that cuz all I saw was mr. Rogers on the screen and I didn't understand. Mr. Rogers was a good movie. I don't think I have become inside out there.

42:17 And Recovery in o i I think that I'm prejudged far too often because of the one thing that I'm infamous for everyone makes all these other assumptions about me on so many other levels, you know, I got rice diligently trying to do a number of different Criminal Justice Reform things and it's still been fairly successful the legislature even after I'd left as a senator and have gotten several pieces of legislation pass all of these last two years. I hit a dry spell but I'll have six bills in the Kansas legislature next year that deal with domestic violence.

43:01 Therapeutic core principles and Criminal Justice Reform in sentencing evidence-based sentencing methods that reduce recidivism and 3/4 in Albert at me like that. You're like the dog that goes let you know what I'm sitting there talking like that about it the other talk to her head and they're trying to figure out what kind of reconcile their prejudged ideals and then what they're being faced with in reality. What do you think about the issues that we're now seen with the new George Floyd and things just nature?

43:42 And even last

43:49 Everybody is talking about the Romantics What day is enhanced training for law enforcement conflict dissipating the level of the conflict in it? Because General Adel and officers are trained it with their challenge. They had to take control of the most difficult parties that I deal with are the ones that are dual diagnosis that have a huge problem on Meadowbrook tissues and their self taking their meds and doing crazy stuff that violent things 2, or I've actually had to pull cases out of my court and send them down to juvenile court because I just didn't think either parent had the capacity and I thought it was in the best interest that a child in need of care case get started to help protect that child.

44:44 So, you know, it's a tough thing come on down, you know you do, you know, if you call my secretary will get you a Zoomer will get you that WebEx link and you can just walk to make sure that everyone time and it was a murder case and I still have not necessarily nightmares, but I still think about the The Killing in the pictures that were shown in it. But do you think that you think just re-education a police? I mean, I would I would be the person I think the officers are great people. They're doing a great job it is it is this 1% or 2% that

45:27 And it is about about reducing. The number and ID escalation is got it. Yeah, they're done. Nobody remembers 99,999. They made all they focus on his situation.

45:52 Yes, absolutely. Absolutely, you know, I mean I can I have. Recently had conversations about mr. Floyd and they said counterfeit bill I go. So, what is it that you know from what I am so often and we have to every year and I went to the University of nevada-reno for the next one traditional College. It was a wonderful experience but we spent two days on recognizing the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in our house with a jury in May where I have to be the great Stone Face and I can't react and I'm listen to 7-Eleven.

46:44 Hardest thing in the world to do this guy I've ever had you know, what's better to expect. So, how did holly bridge right now between

47:09 I think the answer is that we have to have the courage to extend our hand and pray and get cut off and inside our own bumper and challenge our friends that make those really terrible statements that make his friend and you have to use your friends when they step out of line before you can move forward and let you know try to try to expand the bubble you can I've had that I've had the wonderful experience in media having a television show for over decade and a radio show and and I still do Kansas week from time to time. I'm having withdrawal symptoms now that I'm running for re-election. This can't be on the show. So I told her she had to be on the show after the election.

48:06 Cast of the question that you asked just now is a good one too. Kind of used to wrap up our conversation Phil. Will you kind of echo that back or or the one that I put in this is what I like to end with maybe ask this question.

48:29 Do you ever feel troubled by the people with the same beliefs as you and how they communicate those beliefs of others? I would just say absolutely.

48:41 The worst thing I see everyday both in the courtroom and in my personal life is people trying to describe motives and beliefs to other because of the positions. There's I don't know if this is visible to you in the in the chat this question. How can we come together after divisive election this year? Maybe you can ask this to Jess for us to how can we come together after this divisive election this year? I'm really worried.

49:13 I am too because the

49:18 We are so far apart from each other Phil and it seems like

49:24 There's no it's all black and white. It's There's No Gray that are negative that are you know, it's not it's not black and white. Nobody's perfect. I don't have all the answers. I really wish I really will get out of this many times. I wish that we could all forget what party we belong to and we could come in to just be locked in a room and say find a solution for this and I don't go back to ideology. You know, whatever. I don't know. I

50:13 He's already saying that the elections rigged and will he?

50:18 Will there be from The Fringe right? Will there be a violence if he is not elected. Will there be a violent incidents from some of the other people? I was fine. I was buying some fertilizer this spring and I went to a I live East on 143rd Street and Southern tide store that have a good price on the fertilizer and it was a birthday that you were supposed to wear a mask and the credit card. And so all I had to do was just come up in the guy was going to load it and the guy was loading it and I said, you know and hand and the guy said we'll do you have a gun and I said no and he said you ought to get one and I went holyshit.

51:15 I mean, what is it? What is that mean? I don't know.

51:20 I'll tell you what, that means that it is a pretty amazing but their website.

51:34 Airsoft gun into my bed and I got an old 22 that I had when I was a kid. I don't have any ammunition.

51:45 No, I mean I'm going through. Do I need a gun if I need a gun? That's just know that's not America. We can wrap. Let's wrap up our conversation and then you guys can exchange phone number. I know I put my Dutch oven.