Jason Wood and Tracy Roe

00:00 Double check those questions. Hang on 1 second. Okay, here we go. The questions are, why did you want to do this interview today? Read the partners. Okay. The first thing we're supposed to do is according to this thing is the first question is, why did you want to do this interview today? And then we read the bio out loud. So why did you want to do this interview today?

00:20 I am interested in how other people think and feel and believe. And getting real information is difficult. The anonymous and not having to stand there in front of someone face to face and say stuff. It's really easy to say anything you want typing away on your computer face to face or even in this format. People have to be a lot more real and kind.

00:51 Yes.

00:52 And people that don't want to be that way are not going to use this platform.

01:00 That's very true. I think I wanted to do it because it seemed like there was so much anger from all the sides. And I couldn't understand why people were all just people, why everyone got so angry over what other people's beliefs were, why it was so devastating to them. If some people believed one thing that was different than what they believed, okay, now I'm supposed to read your let me see read your partner's bio out loud. And what would I like to know? Okay, so here's your bio. I'm an aspiring photographer and I'm working on being able to take quick pictures professionally and well. I'd like to get more time into more time outdoors, hiking, backpacking, et cetera. I'm a Christian first, conservative second, and Republican third. I'm a constitutionalist, and I believe the Constitution, while not perfect, is the greatest governing document in history. I believe in the Second Amendment and the rights of law abiding Americans to keep and bear arms. I support the police instead of violent and dangerous criminals. I was born, raised, and still live in Wichita, Kansas. I have two children from my first marriage. I'm remarried. My wife has a 19 year old daughter. Okay, what I would like to know actually so many things how did you get into photography?

02:19 I've been taking pictures since I was a kid. There's a picture sits over here on the wall or on the bookshelf rather of a picture I took of Pike's Peak just from our hotel room when I was a kid. I've been taking pictures since I was little and ever since. And I've done the best I can with a cell phone camera, and now I've got a real camera and I drive a taxi for a living. And I need to get out of that or get where that's not the only sole source of income for me. I need to diversify the money. I like taking pictures. I like people. So that's why I like okay, um.

03:01 Okay, you do, I guess.

03:06 Partner's bio. I was born and raised. See if my mouse is going to do what it's supposed to do. I was born and raised outside New York City. I'm the oldest of three children from a Jewish Italian family. I don't think of myself as particularly liberal, but apparently in Richmond, I am have an adult son and stepdaughter. I couldn't live without books, and the outdoors is nice to look at, but I don't feel the need to actually be out in it. I wasn't particularly political until the election of 2016. I care deeply about a woman's right to choose and a person's right not to be shot at. Um, New, I did not I had not caught that. You were Italian, Jewish. With what's going on, it wouldn't change. I still want to talk about Israel. What are several thoughts as to what's going on with Israel in the last four or five days?

04:08 Man's inhumanity to man just amazes. Don't. I have so many thoughts on this and also Ukraine, because my heritage is Eastern European, Ukrainian Jew. I don't understand so much of it, and I don't know what the answer is, because you see the horror that Hamas inflicted, and then you have to wonder, on what level? What were they thinking? Where did they think this was going to go? What were they trying to accomplish? And then, what does Israel do now other than go and try and kill all of them? Which just makes more Homiciders in the future. So it's incredibly painful to watch the images, and then I don't want to watch the images because they're horrible. But then from the Holocaust, you have to bear witness. You can't just turn away. You have to see, and you have to tell the world. So I didn't realize I was going to get this upset. So it's devastating to watch. It's devastating to watch both sides. It's devastating to watch the innocent people in Gaza who can't get out and who are being attacked, and I don't know what the answer is. So that's just sort of a broad based it's just so painful. It's just so painful. And I don't know if they're trying to kill Jews specifically, or if it's the state of Israel. That's the issue. I don't.

05:42 Care very careful about I'm very careful how I touch people, but but if we were in person, I would reach across and I would squeeze your hand just for a second. That's what I would do. I want you to know that. Thank you.

06:04 Sorry.

06:06 As a Christian, I believe very firmly in the Jewish people are God's chosen people on the land that God gave them. As long as we went to the Ostrich traveling exhibition in Kansas City a couple of years ago, I took family and extended family to that, to the.

06:36 Auschwitz Museum, to which museum?

06:38 They had a Union Station in Kansas City. They had a setup of that. I see a sampling of items from that museum it traveled the United States. It was in I'm I've done extensive reading and watching on the Holocaust or know what happened. The only way the Jewish people are safe is to have their own homeland defended by themselves.

07:05 I agree.

07:10 The hatred of the Jewish people goes back to Bible times and is explained in the Bible.

07:17 Well, people use it to explain.

07:21 Yes. Am I happy as a human being with the solution of going in to Gaza and leveling three quarters of the place, right? No. Does Israel have any choice? No. Their options are extremely limited.

07:43 What do you do?

07:45 What do you do can't allow the slaughter.

07:49 People and you can't let the world think, well, if you go in and do that, we're not going to stop you. There won't be something horrible that happens in return. But I feel the same way about Ukraine. You can't go into another person's country and just take it over because where does that stop?

08:06 Yeah. Absolutely. A lot of people on the right have not supported Ukraine. I support Ukraine 100%. I think the United States should support and the world community should support Ukraine.

08:20 I think we're not just supporting Ukraine. I mean, we're supporting us. Right. If they're fighting a battle that is going to help us, if they.

08:32 Without getting too far afield was I mean, Hitler sees this country well, we're not going to go to war over this country.

08:43 And it's fine. It'll be exactly.

08:47 I saw a news story the other day that Putin might be very sick and ill and passing away soon, and.

08:52 That would be a good wonderful. Yeah. Better. He should never have lived, as my grandmother would have said. Yes.

09:02 Let me another not political question before we start zapping away things that will be favorite book and why. What do you read?

09:18 Oh, my goodness. I am particular career. I'm a physician, but I'm also an editor. I was an editor first and I decided I need to go to medical school. And I did, and I became a physician and I decided I miss reading books and getting paid for it. So now I do both. But what do I read? I love Stephen King, which sometimes is embarrassing to say. I'm an English major. He's not very highfalutin, but I love how he writes. I read a lot of I don't want to use the word feminist, that's not the word. But books by strong female authors. The Handmaiden's Tale. I loved anything that brings you into a different world. I love historical novels. World War II novels are fascinating. Anything that's I don't generally read nonfiction except in my editing, but anything that brings you into a different wood and is well written, I love. Are you a reader at all?

10:17 Not like I was in the past. I need to get back into that. Lots of World War II stuff. Lots of World War II history. Lord of the Rings are certainly epic books. I read a lot of political stuff. Don't know if you're familiar with John Deloney. He wrote a book, The Non Anxious Life. It's his latest book. I just got it a few days ago. My wife and I both need to read that.

10:46 Yeah. The not anxious life.

10:48 Yes.

10:49 Do you feel like you're living a very anxious life? Right.

10:52 Sometimes, yes.

10:57 Because of everything that's going on in the outside world?

11:03 I want to make things happen in life differently. I'm 43, and I want to make things in life happen differently.

11:10 Yeah.

11:11 I want to get things a little more under control and make things happen differently. What about we both mentioned guns. What is your gun position?

11:25 It's not like I want no one to have guns. I think maybe I believe the line in the Constitution is something like because, and I'm paraphrasing but because a well organized militia is important, and that's why people should have guns. I think that maybe back then no one was thinking about the AK Forty Seven s and all the rest of it. I have no real position on guns themselves. I think it's fine if you want to hunt with it, whatever. But some people are going to take the guns and they're going to kill people. Some people are. They just are. And since you can't make sure that everyone who's you can't make sure that everyone who has a gun is not going to kill people with it, it seems to me you're better off removing as many guns as possible and then starting over, rather than saying, oh, well, it's just going to happen and let's give everyone a gun. But what's your position on it?

12:22 I carry a gun everywhere I legally can. I have a concealed carry permit, and I carry a gun everywhere that I legally am allowed.

12:32 Why? What's the thinking there?

12:34 Because if something happens, I can defend myself. I can defend my family if they're with me, and I can defend other people. A citizen, and I'm not the best trained in the world, I shoot. I've taken some classes, right. If a citizen, if something happens, can keep their head for a moment or two, get a good deep breath, gun out, and make a good decision, you can save lives because the bad guy is not expecting to be resisted. A good guy should have the element of surprise for at least several seconds, and several seconds is an eternity in a situation like that. If the bad guy knew that there was a good guy there and had a gun and knew who he was, the good guy with the gun, first or two, you wouldn't be there to do.

13:25 But there are so many times when there are indeed good guys with guns and bad guys with guns and people still wind up dying. Go ahead.

13:39 I'm part of the security team at church, and the training that we've had and the research that I've done, anyone that comes in is a mass shooter, and your death toll is in the single digits. You've done a good job.

13:54 Let's just say, just for a thought experiment, let's say that all guns were illegal, okay? No one could carry a gun. Now, the thing is, a lot of the people who have guns got them legally, right? If you make it harder to have a gun, fewer people will have guns.

14:15 Bad guys are still going to find.

14:17 Guns, and people are still going to do things that they're not supposed to do. People are going to be murdered. So you don't say, Well, I guess murder is okay because people are going to do it anyway. You still have to make some rules.

14:29 Against and I understand that. What happened in Israel, I thought in the past and the videos I'd seen in Israel, I thought there were a lot more people armed on a day to day.

14:47 Almost everyone in Israel is armed, has guns because they're all part of the army. They can be called up at any moment. And that's just it. Yeah, they are. They didn't have them. I assume some of them didn't have the guns with them because they didn't expect to be attacked, but still they were attacked. But.

15:06 I don't walk out the door expecting to be attacked today, and the odds of anything happening are near zero. But my gun has been on my hip for coming up on since sometime in 2018, right. And it just sits there and doesn't do anything unless I make a conscious decision.

15:24 Right. And I have absolutely no problem with that. I think that's great. But what happens if someone who's not you, who thinks, I have my gun, it's to protect myself. And you know what? Those Jews are probably going to hurt me, so I'm going to kill them.

15:39 That is a crime. And if you're targeting Jewish people or any other group, if you're targeting Jewish people or anyone else because of who they are, we have enhanced penalties for that.

15:58 Like I said, I'm a physician. I mean, there are people who psychiatrically, they hear I remember this one guy coming to talk to our class, medical school class. He's schizophrenic, and he managed to translate the voices he heard in his head into a synthesizer so we could all hear it. And we left the class and one of the students said, if I had that voice in my head telling me to kill my parents, I'd kill my parents. I mean, some people are literally crazy them from going to get a gun, going out and killing people.

16:28 Well, there's not a perfect solution to keep everyone who shouldn't have a gun away from a gun. You can buy a gun. You can buy a gun from a private person. You can steal a gun.

16:47 Yeah, exactly.

16:48 Which is another good reason not to take guns away from people.

16:55 So do you think there should be universal background checks?

16:59 I'm in favor of a background check. I'm in favor of a database that says this person is diagnosed schizophrenic. He shouldn't be able to pass that federal background check.

17:08 But right now you just ran into every HIPAA violation there is, right? You can't give medical information like that.

17:14 But that information should be in the database. It doesn't have to say the person selling the gun, that the gun don't get this person schizophrenic, get them out of your gun store.

17:28 Right? They just get a red flag.

17:30 They just get a no. They get a yes or a no.

17:32 And I have absolutely no problem with that. Guns aren't really like people drive. I think maybe you should work a little harder to get a gun, same way as you work a little harder to get a driver's license. But I don't have any problem with them in the right hands. I just don't know how we ever keep them, all of them, from being in the right hands.

17:52 We don't. People in prison don't have guns, and they spend time and effort sharpening toothbrushes, right.

18:04 And they'll find a way, but they won't kill as many people with their sharp toothbrushes. They will make 47. Hang on 1 second.

18:10 I'll be right there's.

18:19 Sorry. Okay, I'm back.

18:21 A gun fundamentally is a tool. A gun itself is neither good nor evil. And I can use my gun for great evil or for protection. Hamas used their guns four days ago for unbelievable evil, and the Israelis that responded used their guns for good, protect themselves to stop that evil.

18:48 Right.

18:52 But the and I don't have the numbers in front of me, and I should rifles don't rifles don't kill that many people.

19:02 No, they don't.

19:03 Most deaths are from handguns, and most gun deaths are suicides.

19:07 So would you support a ban on weapons of war like AK 47, submarine machine guns, things like that, or no?

19:15 No. The point of the Constitution is the people remain at least as strong as the government. We don't know. I'm going to get a little bit since the borders were basically opened in 2021 with the Biden administration, not a.

19:44 Single Democrat says, oh, please let me open the borders, let everyone rush in. People may have interpreted that way, but he did not say that.

19:52 I know that since the Biden administration came in 6 million people across the border, we don't know what their intentions might be. If I had told most people on September 10 that terrorists would come into this country and hijack aircraft and fly them in the buildings, you'd have looked at me kind of like I was a little strange. Most people would have. And that's not a criticism of you and that there might be people in this country that intend real harm. And most police departments are not prepared for 100 people, a few dozen people attacking a location. And it's going to be some hours to a day when the military and the National Guard are able to fully respond. And in the meantime, it's going to be in the hands of the police and then in the hands of private citizens, either assisting the police or walking up to an officer. Here's my rifle, here's my ammunition. You need this, right?

21:13 So you're positing that most of the people who are coming over the border have ill intent?

21:20 No. A vast majority of the people coming across the border want to live in the United States, want to have a better life. But a half a percent of 6 million people what's that my math isn't very good. That's still, what, 60,000?

21:38 I'm very bad at math.

21:39 That's still, what, 60,000 people, right? Half of 1%.

21:43 Most of the people who are here in the States illegally came here on a plane and just overstayed their visas. Like, literally most of them. That's why they're here. But people don't seem to have as much of an issue with the guy from France who came over and stayed. Right. It does seem to be, in some level, the poor brown people. That is.

22:07 We and I think we can probably agree on this we can't take a billion people from around the world that would love to live in the United States.

22:14 Right.

22:19 And this is politically incorrect. It stands to reason, as an overall Western first world nation, we would want people with Western first world values here from whatever country they come from.

22:37 Again, that sort of implies that in the undeveloped countries, their values are worse than ours.

22:44 They're different countries that are successful.

22:47 I mean, they want to have a nice life. They want to eat and they want to drink, and they want their children to be raised healthy. Is it so different?

22:57 No, not in terms of that, but in terms of the values that we hold.

23:04 What are our values? What are our values?

23:10 We have a we mean Americans is what we're talking about hard work, which a vast majority of people that come here illegally work very hard.

23:23 Very hard.

23:24 We need to get exploiting. The labor is something that really needs.

23:29 To be see, that's what I feel like. It shouldn't be that you can only come here for asylum or nothing, right? There should be some kind of way you could come in and work, and.

23:38 We have work visas and we have paths to citizenship. But if your first act coming here is violating our laws, what if you have no choice?

23:48 What if you have people trying to literally trying to kill your family and.

23:53 There are legitimate asylum claims and the United States has always not always. The United States has always been let me back up. I read the Bible. Bible says the Jewish people are God's chosen people. The Bible says we're to support God's chosen people. Therefore, I support god's chosen people. It's not a rocket scientist deep theological thing, right. It's what God says, what the Bible says. So that's what we do. If the Bible said to wear orange on Wednesdays, I would be wearing an orange shirt right now. But in the way that the United States didn't take as many Jews as possible before the know, did we know everything then that we knew? No, but we knew a lot, actually.

25:00 But some of it really was anti Semitism. There's always been that.

25:05 Yeah, and I don't understand that that is a Christian just in the Christians that don't support the Jewish people, that just processing. That just eludes me. It's a fundamental thing in the Bible. There's things we can right. There's things that fellow Christians we can disagree on in the Bible, and there's things well, this is what God said, and if we believe the Bible, we should support the Jews. But we certainly could have taken a lot more Jewish people before the Holocaust. Even during the Holocaust. I'm all in favor of people with legitimate asylum claims, but most of the people coming across the border don't have long term legitimate asylum claims, and we can't take everyone that wants a better life. And if the first thing you do coming here, crossing the border is violate US. Law, you're starting out on the wrong foot.

26:06 A lot of them show up at the border and say, hi, I'm here. I'm surrendering. I'm looking for asylum. I mean, a lot of them do, right? That's what all the people are showing up at the border waiting online to get in to surrender themselves and say, I'm looking for asylum.

26:21 Then there may be people that do that.

26:25 Yes, there are people who sneak across the border, but I mean, there are lines of people waiting to come in so they can turn themselves into the border police and say, hi, I'm here looking for asylum.

26:35 The other issue is the international law says that you have to apply for asylum in the first country you come to. So if you're coming from Central America, you're going through multiple countries before you get to the you're going through multiple countries before you get I think what's.

26:57 So bad about mean mexico seems like an okay place. Why don't they want to stay there?

27:02 Mexico's got issues.

27:04 They've got a lot of issues. Yes, exactly.

27:07 There's so much money in the drug trade, and so, I mean, the areas that Americans go to in Mexico are secure because that's where their tourism dollars come from, and they don't survive without that.

27:28 Right.

27:28 Outside of those areas, it's bad. I would not put myself outside of those areas. I would not go driving around in Mexico like I do here in Kansas.

27:38 Right.

27:41 We've never fought a war on drugs. We've said we've fought a war on drugs.

27:46 We just made it all go more underground.

27:48 And now Fentanyl and 75. I don't know if you dealt with any fentanyl overdoses.

27:54 I mean, there's always been overdoses of heroin, fentanyl. It's all dealt with the same way, and it is horrific.

28:03 I heard the number yesterday, and forgive me if I say the wrong number, but I believe they said yesterday we were up to 75,000 fentanyl deaths last year.

28:14 I believe it. There's prescription drug overdoses, too. And a lot of times, and I hate this from my profession is that a lot of people get started on this stuff because we're like, oh, here, take this. It'll make you feel better. And people who tend to be addicted, who had never tried it before become addicted to their percocet or whatever it is. And so I try very hard. Unless you've got like a bad burn or bad fracture or something, you can take ibuprofen or Tylenol or both. But I don't get people started on.

28:44 That and absolutely agree. And it makes it in years past, we carried people not as much anymore, but in years past, we carried people literally from Er to Er to Er to Er to find a doctor that would write a prescription for a few pills.

29:02 Right. And they still do that. Yeah. Oh, I see. You get like as a cab driver. Driver, yeah.

29:08 And my thought is, I mean, if I had a massive car accident today and I had multiple broken bones and injuries, I might need some high dollar hypotensive painkiller.

29:21 Right.

29:21 But need to start out with people with saying, I'm going to give you this today. You're going to need this for a while. You can take up to X amount a day if you need it, but if you don't need it, don't take it. If your pain is a two, if your pain is a nine, take this, right? You're getting this for the short term, you're getting this for the medium term. But know now we're getting you off of this. You're not going to get addicted to this.

29:56 Right? And that's basically how we do it. But some people, like the bad guys who want guns, the people who want drugs, they work very hard to get it. And that's another thing that I don't know what the answer is. So here's what to me has been the big issue since 2016 is Trump, what are your thoughts?

30:21 Let me give you a roundabout answer.

30:23 Okay.

30:25 Powerball is up to $1.7 billion, and I'll buy a few tickets. And if I somehow won that, my first hire would be my no person. And this person's only job would be to follow me around and tell me no all day long. Because just because one can do a thing, it does not necessarily fall that one should do that thing, right?

30:53 And if one surrounds oneself with people who say yes, or here's an even stupider idea, one is not going to do a very good job.

31:00 Yes. And President Trump has never had a no person in his life.

31:04 No.

31:06 If I had that money, that would be the first person I would want around me, would be someone who has the authority to tell me no and back.

31:14 It know, that's what Abraham Lincoln always did. He was surrounded by people who argued both sides. One person who said, you should definitely do this and one person who said, absolutely not. You should do this other thing. And he would listen to them debate and make his decision from.

31:29 To we're obviously going to disagree on abortion, and that's okay. As me, I believe abortion is murder. As someone who believes abortion is murder, finally getting Roe versus Wade overturned and being able to begin to, on some level, limit abortion, you do know that.

31:53 Women who have money will always get abortions. What Roe v. Wade does is end it for or make it more difficult for women who have no money and no resources.

32:04 Same argument that you made in reverse. Bad people with bad intentions will always be able to get a gun or another way to harm.

32:17 But you're equating the two, which I know in your mind you do, that they're both murder. But here's the thing. In the Christian view, it is murder. In the Jewish view, it is not. It is more important to protect the life of the mother. And in the Hindu view and in the Buddhist view, it is not murder. Now, so what in some ways you're doing is saying America is supposed to be open for all religions, everyone right? You can come here regardless of race, creed, doesn't matter. However, some of our laws are going to be based on Christianity.

32:54 Well, all there has to be, and this is going to be an extreme answer, so bear with the extreme.

33:05 Okay?

33:06 The German people somehow went from a first world good society to murdering not only 6 million Jewish people, but.

33:25 Gay.

33:25 People, gypsies, disabled people, tens of millions of others. In ten years, we went from a normal, well adjusted society to murdering all these people. Yes, some of the values are going to be some of the values that we have are going to align with the Christian view of the world. The Christian view of the world. Once you abandon the Christian view of the world or you pervert it, okay?

34:13 But that's, again, very Christian centric. Now, I have no problem with Christianity. Half of my family is Catholic and the other half is Jewish. But the thing is, isn't that putting that central saying Christianity is better than everything else?

34:27 I would argue that it was. Regardless of when Christianity is twisted, horrible things happen. Martin Luther in Germany. The 95 thesis. So many great ideas, so many great things that hadn't been presented as Europe took the first steps away from Catholicism and away from the Dark Ages. Literally the Dark Ages. Martin Luther got so many things right, and somehow he came. Up with this idea in the middle of all these things, right, that the Jews were the devil. It makes my head hurt, and it makes me want to squeeze my head so my head doesn't hurt so much. But there does have to be values, and sometimes those values are going to line up with sometimes those values are going to line up with what I believe as a Christian. But once we abandon an absolute standard of right and wrong, but then that's just it.

35:35 You're saying that Christianity has that standard. And again, I'm not arguing most of the nothing in Christianity says go to the roof with an Uzi and kill people. I think basically, be good to your neighbor is a wonderful view of the world. But again, Christianity is not how the country shouldn't be run based on Christianity. That wasn't how it was. And here's a question. Did you see Hamilton?

36:05 I did not. I did not.

36:07 Please go watch it. You absolutely have to. It's so much fun, and it's a really good view of the I mean, obviously it's a different view of the world, but it's based on the Pulitzer Prize winning biography of Alexander Hamilton. Like, a lot of it happened that way. So anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

36:24 No, and I've probably cut you off a few times, too, when you read the quotes from the Founding Fathers and others. The Constitution was designed for a fundamentally Christian nation, and it doesn't work as well. Once you get the further we get from that, the less well the Constitution works.

36:48 It was specifically supposed to be a separation of church and state. It was not supposed to be based on anything religious at all. They were all Christians. They had that viewpoint. There were not a lot of Jews among the Founding Fathers or Hindus or Buddhists.

37:01 But we, as Christians and Jews, we share the same Old Testament. The Torah is our Old Testament. We share the same God, right? We have different views of what happened with Jesus and then after. But there's a common morality there. Christians and Jews both look at what happened four days ago in Israel and go, oh, my God.

37:33 But don't you think that Muslims and Hindi and non believers also look at that and say, oh, my God?

37:39 That was some well, some do, but Hamas had enough support with their charter of the annihilation of Israel and the murder of every Jew in Israel, and.

37:56 You have to wonder what drove them to that, literally, what drove them to that. Because I know that the way they live is horrible, and they don't have a lot of rights in Palestine and the Gaza Strip and that and believe me, I am not in any way, shape or form saying it's okay what they did. But there was an underlying thing that set people off on this inhuman way of treating other human beings.

38:28 And I am torn. 2005, the Israelis dismantled the settlements in the Gaza Strip, pulled out. The people of Gaza had a chance for a free and fair election, and they elected Hamas of the destruction of Israel. And now the people that were babies and little then are now the fighters and the terrorists. I guess I should use the term terrorist, not fighter. And they had an opportunity there in 2005 to be peaceful, and Israel would have supported them in peace. That area could be a gleaming, beautiful city on the hill area now, and there could be relatively free movement between Israel and Gaza. Now, the Israelis are still going to check. They're still going to be the bomb sniffing dogs. And instead they chose Hamas.

39:41 And why did they choose know why?

39:43 Because I think a lot of them absolutely you could not talk me into there is nothing you could say and nothing you could do at all ever that would talk me into, tracy's a Jew, go shoot her.

40:08 Nothing.

40:09 You couldn't. That's fundamentally not who I am and not what I've been taught since I was little.

40:17 Right.

40:17 And in the same vein, there's people there that have been taught since they were three and four and five that this is the devil and the Jews devil's children.

40:29 Right.

40:29 And we kill Jews. And that programming, when you're three, four, five years old, is difficult to get rid of.

40:43 Right. Once have that inculcated in you from a childhood yeah. You never get rid of. Or part of it also is that we're sitting here in our beautiful homes feeling safe, food on the table, roof over our head, and we're making these and again, not to in any way, shape or form argue for these people, but that's one of the reasons I was doing this thing, is I don't understand the thinking. Explain to me the thinking of how you go from a baby who's born, who's predisposed to love other people into someone who thinks it's a good idea to go rape grandmothers and kill them. I don't understand how you go from point A to point.

41:28 Mean. Hitler and his ilk accomplished it in Germany relatively quickly, but part of that.

41:34 Was from World War I, the way that World War I ended. And they basically took away everything from the Germans, and they made them pay money because they had lost that. And that was the underpinning of what happened later, of why they got into the Net, because they had been so or they believed they'd been so ground down, they'd been forced to do everyone else's bidding, and now they're going to take over, and Germany is going to run the world. And or the world hadn't handled it that way, had been more generous and kind, maybe World War II wouldn't have.

42:06 But but Satan and I don't know, the history of the Jewish people going all the way back to Bible times to today I mean, God pretty much explains the hatred of the Jewish people, because you are God's chosen people.

42:27 The chosen people doesn't mean they're the good ones, they're the best. And people see that. Oh, chosen people. That must mean they get all the good stuff. No, what that means the chosen people is you are the people who have been chosen to do these lead these things, go in this direction, and you're going to suffer for it. So it never means the chosen people. Yay, you get all the good stuff. It means you are the ones who have been chosen to carry this burden.

42:52 But there's the stereotype, which is some stereotypes are true and some stereotypes are good stereotypes. There's the stereotype that Jews are the Jewish people. I don't mean Jews. Some people say Jews as a negative. I say Jews in the same way as a positive. So when I say don't negative, Jew.

43:13 Is not a dirty word.

43:15 No, it is not. It is a good word. But there's the stereotype that Jews are good with money, okay?

43:26 There's that stereotype because they are stereotype existed because we got thrown out of our lands. You can't take your farm with you, you can't take your cow with you, you can't own land in certain places, but you can sew the gold coins into grandma's skirt and you take that with you. So, yes, we are good with money, or we have a history of having done that because everything else was taken from us. That's the other thing, too, is Jews tends to be very believes in education and book learning, right? Because you could take the books with you, because no one could take away once we were dispersed, no one can take away the knowledge. Right. No one can take away the learning. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

44:07 Yeah, and I understand, but those are stereotypes that are positive stereotypes, but they are stereotypes. I was going somewhere with that, and I keep I want to go all the way back. Tell me, explain to me, is it before I ask any specific questions, explain your position on abortion.

44:32 My position on abortion is a collection of cells is not a life, and that it is living in another person's body, and that person gets to decide what to do. Now, there's no such thing as late term abortion. There is no such nine month abortion. I mean, if a baby is viable, it's delivered. But if a fetus if four cells are not viable, they're not a person, they have no being, and they don't have a soul according to various different religions. How is four cells a person? It could be a person or not, but right now it's in an actual person's body. And what if that actual person has eight kids to feed and these four cells were created because she was raped? We still have to say, you must let those four cells grow into a being in your body.

45:32 Is there a time in a pregnancy that abortion is no longer acceptable to you?

45:44 Before Roe v. Wade was overturned, it was the age of viability, which is, I believe, 21 weeks. Now, what happens if you have that, let's say, 18 week fetus and this fetus is going to die? It's developing without a brain, right? There's no brain there. It will be born, but it will die immediately after and will most likely suffer. Is abortion wrong then, at, say, 14 weeks? There's no nerves. The fetus will never become a person, and this woman is carrying this fetus in her body that is going to die. So what do you do then? I guess here's more of my point, I'm assuming do you think there are any situations where terminating a pregnancy is.

46:31 Acceptable, the physical actual life of the mother?

46:36 Okay, so you can't make that decision. You're not a physician. Right? I wouldn't even make that decision. I'm not an OBGYN. But now the government is standing over there saying, we're making the decision, and we're telling you, no, that's not right. Now, what if it's not, the mother will die, but the mother will never be able to have children again? Or what if it's that the mother will have children again, but it will also make two of her other children die because she doesn't have enough food to feed them? The people who should be making that decision is the woman who knows her life and the physicians who are treating her, and if she has a pastor or a rabbi or whatever it is, but not the government, because there are cases it's not like murder. You can't kill someone. That's illegal, period. Right. Anyone who's born is not allowed to be shot. We're done. But pregnancy is such a there's so many gray areas that I just don't feel like the government should be standing there saying, this is okay, this isn't.

47:37 And I believe that I would I look at and I had this I had a very good conversation with a lady a week or two ago about this, and and she is pro choice, and she has two kids, and you've given birth to one child, from what I gather from your information. I mean, I don't know how mothers reach the conclusion they're not and this is this is a personal choice. I mean, I know my mom who's died several years ago. She would not have had an abortion under any circumstances, okay? Either my brother or I would have killed her before she would have had an abortion.

48:26 Right. And that's wonderful. She wanted the children. She had them or she didn't want them, but she still had them, and that was her choice.

48:34 Well, Jared and I were very much wanted, but I know not all children mean I would argue there is no magical point at which a clump of cells well, my argument is the magical point at which that clump of cells becomes a human being is when the sperm and the egg unite.

48:55 And you can argue that, but many people, religions, physicians see it differently. But then in your case, you're saying, yes, but my way is the most important one, and let's make that the law.

49:12 But I would say that when we're talking about human life, we err on the side of the protection of human life.

49:18 Not on right? But human life is something that can live on its own, and four cells can't. And it's not even like they're growing in a test tube somewhere. Another person's life is deeply affected by it.

49:33 As we've gotten away from and I've been divorced, and my wife that I will be married to for the rest of my life has been divorced, but as we've gotten away from marriage, as we don't get divorces, and as the divorce rate does this, children are not growing up in families. Single moms with multiple kids, I have no tolerance for dads, dads fathers, as a rule, and occasionally but fathers don't take care of their kids, should be put in work camps, right?

50:10 I think that's a great idea, where.

50:12 You go to work all day and you go back to a dorm at night, and we feed you three okay. Not fancy meals a day. We're not starving anyone to death. We're not running a concentration camp. We're not three good meals a day. But you go to work all day somewhere, and if you don't find a job, we'll find something for you to do. You work all day doing that, and you go back to a dorm at night.

50:32 And I do wonder where all the men who are getting these women pregnant, who don't want to be pregnant, where are they? Because they can just go on about their business. Someone says, okay, well, you have now procreated, and you can just pony up $50,000 right now for the first three years, but where are they?

50:52 I have no problem holding I don't have biological kids. I'll share that with you. The two kids that I raised are not biologically mine. I adopted Carly. My daughter Jake was a different dad, and his dad stayed in the picture. But I take care of Jake now as far as when he something, as far as his cell phone that I got him, his biological dad doesn't. I do tooting my own horn just this much. Carly and I don't talk. Carly decided that everything bad that happens in the world is my fault.

51:26 Okay. How old is she?

51:28 She's 25.

51:30 Okay.

51:33 But after Beth and I, my first wife and I split up, I didn't pay Beth directly child support, but I still took care of cell phone, still gave was needed, right? Still took care of what Carly needed. Very awkward visit to Victoria's Secret one time, and Carly was an adult by then. I pushed her at the sales lady and said, get my daughter what she needs, and I will.

52:02 There you go. You're trying. Hopefully, the good people, we all do the best we can, but because of.

52:11 Abortion, there's a lot of bad men out here who have no responsibility for themselves or anything else that just go around impregnating people, impregnating women, and with no idea of any, with no intent to be responsible for that action. And as a result, women go get abortions. And there's not one solution?

52:40 No, there's not. Yeah, go ahead.

52:49 And again, the life of the mother, the health of the mother, the sexual assault exceptions.

52:55 Now, why is that, though? Because if you truly believe that a life is a life, a fetus who was created by incest rape, any of that, why should you be okay with getting rid of that fetus, but not okay with being rid of a fetus? Another one.

53:11 Well, I gave my one exception. That was the physical life of the mother. I don't believe in a rape or anything, okay?

53:16 I misunderstood. Okay?

53:18 But those abortions, when you look at the data and when the data is collected at the state level, runs about 3% of abortions, okay? The other 97% are just, I do not want to have this baby. This baby.

53:36 No, but they're not just like, oh, how did I get pregnant? Well, that's not good. I'll get rid of it. I think something like 50 or 60% of abortions come from a failure of birth control. Right? Condom broke. You forgot to take your pill that day. Whatever it is, you did not want children. You were going out of your way to make sure you did not have children because you knew what you couldn't. And yet it happened.

54:05 Would you concede that almost 100% of women who consent to sex know that that is a risk of sex?

54:16 If you say 99.9% of the time, you're definitely not going to get pregnant? There is that point or whatever it is for us, until it is, the pill is, like, 99.7% effective. So if you have sex, there's a 99.7% chance you won't get pregnant. So go ahead. It's up to you. So what are you going to do? I know. And then you're also going to assume, because if you're okay with if you don't think that four cells count as a life, then you can say, well, if this does happen, I'll do the best I can, but if it does happen, I know that I have the control of my own body. It comes down to, you think it's a life? I don't. And we're never going to agree on that, and that's fine. It's just that your view gets to take over all the people in, I don't know, Idaho, Nevada, and my view gets to rule the lives of the people in New York and New Jersey. And there's something just off. So as much as I am enjoying this conversation, and I truly am. I have to get to work, so I'm going to have to end this. Wait, I know there's more questions I'm supposed to ask you, so hang on 1 second.

55:28 This has been a great back and forth conversation.

55:31 It really has. I so enjoyed talking to you, and I wish that I could keep talking to you. Wait, hang on 1 second. I'm supposed to ask you. Okay. Was there anything that you learned today about that surprised you?

55:45 Nothing that surprised me, no. Well, people who are smart enough to become doctors, as you are, typically are smart enough to do other things, edit books. That's an interesting combination of career.

56:06 Yeah, I edited books first, then I went to medical school, became a physician, and then I don't know a lot of people who do it the other.

56:16 Way around in the always I know you got to go sometimes. In the past, the Democratic Party has been more successful of the Palestinian side of things. I mean, Hamas grossly overplayed their hand. Even people that traditionally might support the Palestinians have pretty much said Israel.

56:43 Right? Yeah, exactly.

56:44 We're out of this. You can do whatever you want. And with Hamas hiding behind children and families, they don't.

56:54 Right, exactly.

56:56 They have no good choices. All the good options are off the table.

57:00 Right.

57:01 Just like today, if I was in a gas station or in somewhere and there's somebody in there with a gun or a big knife or something like that, all my good options are gone. At that point. I've got a series of bad and more bad choices to make.

57:16 Right.

57:26 And I hope I'm not the extreme, out of control conservative on the right. And I know you're not the extreme, out of control liberal on the left.

57:37 Yes. And I guess that was the point of this, isn't it? That there are people, actual people, that you might enjoy talking to on both sides?

57:46 Yes, that is all I have. Do you have anything else?

57:56 Because physicians tend to like to go by the rules, and so I'm trying to look what else I was supposed to ask you. No, the last question is, was I who you expected me to be? But I want to tell you first. Yes, definitely, in some ways. But in other ways, you're very kind and you're very compassionate, and when you watch the news or you hear the conversations, kindness and compassion on both sides doesn't show up a lot. So thank you for that. I want to thank you for that.

58:26 Thank you. And I appreciate of course, I always wonder I'm going to keep doing these. I always wonder if I'm going to run into somebody that's just going to.

58:36 Be like, you carry a gun every day. We sort of self select. Right? Because the people who are doing this are sort of interested in I assume they're interested in the other know, they're not interested up there in getting on here, and so I must go. Thank you so much. Jason, it was a pleasure and a privilege talking to you.

58:58 Thank you so much.

59:00 And I wish you the very best.

59:02 I wish you the very best. Have a great day.

59:05 Thank you. Thank you. You too. Bye.