Jay Swan and Jim Enderle

Jim shares a childhood memory where he witnessed an act of violence during a civil rights march in the 1960s in Chicago.

Jay reflects on how their experience in the military shaped their political views.

Jim discusses his military experiences, and they both reflect on people’s expectations of their military stories. Jay considers the distinction between pride in one’s service and pride in the US’s missions.

Jim and Jay share how their fathers influenced them, and Jay remembers the book that inspired them to become a military medic.

Jim shares his political values, and considers how traveling and learning about other cultures has shaped him. Jay says they’re liberal, and says that the military community is more diverse than civilians assume.

Jim recalls an argument about the 2nd amendment where he was shut out when he tried to engage.

Jay and Jim talk about their deployments in Iraq and how they got to their roles.

Jim and Jay consider what freedom means and requires, and Jim says, “I’ve learned a lot about freedom from people who aren’t free.”