Jodie White and Debbie Hollis

00:04 My name is Jodie white. I am 43 years old. The date is September, 22nd, 2021. I am in Bossier City, Louisiana, and I'm speaking with my one small step partner.

00:18 In my name is Debbie Hollis. I'm 50 years old. The date is September 22nd 2021. I'm in Shreveport, Louisiana, which is adjacent and I'm speaking with my one small step partner, Jody White.

00:36 Why did I want to do this interview? I wanted to do this interview because

00:43 I feel like at this time, the country is very polarized and divided and I have lots of questions about why.

00:54 Some people believe or think the way that they do, but you almost feel like you can't ask those questions because it angers people.

01:03 So I wanted to do this interview to see if I could get some light shed on some things.

01:11 Why did I want to do this interview? I ran for state senate in Louisiana in 2019. And I learned that unlike most politicians were there running for office, instead of standing up and stating my beliefs and my fault. I learned more when I sat and listened to other people and so I hosted quite a few listening meetings with constituents in my, in my district. And

01:44 I really grew fond of listening. I believe it is the best way that we can break down barriers between each other, and I'm a big talker and it's a good exercise for me to get out and listen to be

02:03 Cool. So at this point, what I'm going to do is I'm going to post. I'm posting Jody's bio into the chat. So Debbie, I want you to read Joey's bio and then I kind of asked her a question about it.

02:19 Okay, I'll reach out. He's fatter. Now. Tony says, I'm just a small town girl, living a blessed life. But extremely worried about the country that I love. I'm 43 years old, with the twenty-four-year-old, 21 year old and a four-year-old. He did. It was very young when I had my oldest and most definitely and it most definitely shaped me into the who and what I am today. However, I feel like my eyes have been open to more disturbing truths and in America. I always assumed was real is really nothing. Like I thought, it's very sad disturbing and my heart is very troubled for my children.

03:07 That's very emotional. Hit it right back today.

03:13 It's a Debbie. Do you have any question you want to ask her about that?

03:21 What does it feel emotional to have have your battery read back to you? I'd like to hear more about that.

03:28 I don't really know I guess because I don't know y'all are you and

03:36 You know, your Skype, put yourself out there.

03:41 And it is, in my opinion, a very sad time in our world.

03:48 I appreciate your willingness to be vulnerable Jody. I really would say that is hard to do.

03:54 Thank you.

03:56 Okay, when I'm going to do now is going to, I'm going to post, Debbie's bio. And so Jodi. If you could read that to leave that to us with fundamentalist religious parents who were mentally ill, and very abusive. I graduated high school at 17 with full academic, scholarship to college, but got pregnant at 19. I've had a successful business career and ran for public office in 2019. I did fairly well in my first campaign and hope to run again at the progressive candidate. Here in Northwest Louisiana. I have two grandsons, and, and am divorced at 50, and the director of a non-profit diaper. Product Bank.

04:40 While mine's a lot less emotional than yours is.

04:47 And that's okay. Right? What would you want to ask Debbie about that file?

04:57 I'm interested in the diaper and. Products bank. Is that here in shreveport-bossier or is that and when Parish it is here, in Trooper Barracks with a pet. In the street for about, we serve the entire arklatex, and we are the only free diaper Bank. Bank. Zapata Bank in North Louisiana, and we're the only ones hurt in your pack. So we're never heard of that. That's very interesting over a year old. So yeah, I did some more gears ago with the Crisis Pregnancy Center, so

05:39 They started referring clients. I was good. Good, good.

05:46 Well, we live in the Northwest most corner. So we don't get that much. We would have been tapped to provide supplies to people in Southington. You waited here so we can we provide already. And right now I have a volunteer was unloading 59000 menstrual pads that have been donated from Connecticut. So am I get a little noise in the background, but those are all for Hurricane Relief efforts.

06:16 All right. I'm going to post I'm going to post another question Jody. Why don't you read this question to Debbie?

06:25 What was your political upbringing? Like? Do you remember when you first became aware of politics?

06:32 My political upbringing was extremely conservative. My father, told my mother who to go far, and I'm when they if they found it first became aware of politics, when I was in kindergarten at Eastside Elementary School in Winfield.

06:56 And I think it was more an issue of of.

07:01 Gender politics. My mother made me wear dresses to school all the time and I had to sit under a tree and stay nice and clean. While the boys were out on the playground running and chasing and playing tag and playing football, and I wanted to do what the boys are doing under a tree and stay cool and pretty and my grass. And I thought, what why can't girls do what boys do? And that's when I kind of first became aware that there were differences in gender. And a few years later, as I got into junior high. I realize that our government and our society, dictated a lot of these. What we might call social norms around, Ginger, and I became even more aware of politics.

07:55 And adding a school actually became a public speaker about politics and gender issues, and things like that.

08:07 So Jodi your political upbringing like and you remember when you first became aware of politics and it's a very conservative, just conservative. My parents were, I don't even know that I knew, what, conservatives me back when I was a child, but they were, they very much loved America. USA. You know, I can remember when the president say wanted one or didn't win, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like it is today with the news either where you can watch it 24/7 back then.

08:45 My first trip to Washington d.c. Was in 8th grade and I absolutely fell in love with it. I went back as a junior in high school and decided, then that I wanted to be a lobbyist which thank God had better plan for me, but I loved it. I loved all of it within debate in high school. And, you know, we debated things that I had no idea what I was talking about. Half the time. The first year I debated was Healthcare. I meant I didn't know what a ductable was that I was in there fighting for it, you know, but it opened my eyes and made me do research and

09:29 It definitely started me on the path of I need proof. I need to know why.

09:39 And then at 11 happened, when I was 21 years old, and I've been pretty into it ever since then.

09:52 In enter into politics.

09:56 And so what would you say?

10:00 So I guess could you describe to me what your politics were like before 9:11, and then how they change? And

10:16 At the time, I probably was a little more.

10:21 I don't want to say liberal, but

10:25 Probably had the thought of, you know, what a woman's right? It's her body. And I think I'm pretty sure that's why I voted for heaven for that year after 9/11, and having two children, a lot of my and I won't feel like that change for sure.

10:45 And then when the other things affected, you taxes, and you learn more about that, you're not just paying them. And you're having to figure out, you know, situations, you tend to start changing things. A lot of people change between 21 and 24 for a lot of different reasons, but it sounded to me like you saying, you voted for Al Gore in 2000. I just was assuming that, okay. So Debbie, is there any sort of watershed moment in your life time that you remember that had an impact on your current political philosophy?

11:34 There's been so many I would have to say the original one was leaving my home, town of Minden, Louisiana and getting away from the people who program to me to be very religious, not think for myself not consider myself equal as a human. Being, I'm leaving that town when I was 17 and moving to a college town, which

12:04 Really opened my eyes to new ways of making, of course, 2 years in a college experience. I got pregnant because I've never had sex ed ever and ended up going back to college in. This is this is the real watershed moment. I went back to college as a single parent of two children of the age of 30. I went to Centenary here in and 3/4, which is a Methodist school, but it's a liberal arts college. And at the time, it was a Libertarian. I've been a Libertarian for quite some time, was fairly conservative in my thinking, and I got to see more of a worldview. I got to listen, like we're doing right now to the, the life story of other people and learn more about people who are not like me. And that's, that's really that three years is what in my political philosophy changed. And I became a more compassionate, human being more open-minded human being

13:04 And definitely more Progressive.

13:08 Could you have another watershed moment when I got pregnant at 17?

13:23 We decided to get married and. Mad graduated in June. And may we got married in June to 4th November? And in the meantime, of course, we had no health insurance. He made, I think $10 an hour. I work part-time and made 7. I think it was 15 an hour at the time. And when we went to get Medicaid because he had no insurance, and I couldn't be on my parent's insurance anymore, because we got married. We were told we made too much money.

13:55 And I asked then if I quit my job and come back, do we qualify? And he said, I don't know, come back tomorrow if you quit your job.

14:07 And I remember thinking this cannot be real.

14:12 And it, I guess it could have made me feel like

14:18 That, you know, the system was wrong or it wasn't? I don't know, but it didn't make me feel that way. It made me feel that. I don't ever want anybody to tell me I can't have or do something again. And if that I have to depend on the government, that's not how I want to be at all.

14:39 So,

14:42 I do remember that W. Earlier. You mentioned that you were more libertarian. I guess you said in your, in your political leanings. I guess. Could you quit kind of Define that libertarianism was centered around? I'll take care of myself. I'll help you. If you need some help, let the government pay potatoes and provide law enforcement military. If necessary. Hopefully not necessary. Unless I'll just be nice to each other and As I Grew Older and learned more about the libertarian party and voted for several libertarian candidate. I came to realize that the idea of libertarianism can only exist in a Utopia where everyone is willing to voluntarily, share what they have and take care of each other. And that's just not. Where would you live? That's not

15:42 That's not what Americans are Americans tend to suffer from toxic individuality, which is an option. But I think of libertarianism, unfortunately, and when I came to realize that and did some studying into the psychology of how human beings in a verb or dependent become independent, and it would become interdependent. And that's also, how civilization were listening to last libertarianism, and did not join a political party at all, but became an independent and much more Progressive in my thoughts about fall.

16:20 Okay, Jody. Do you have any reaction to that?

16:25 Not necessarily reaction, but I don't know that I've ever heard of it and then I've never thought of an independent as being Progressive.

16:33 That's interesting.

16:36 I don't know why.

16:38 Well, you know it, when I ran it, people kept trying to put me in a box, you know, the Democrats want me to run as a Democrat, but they said that I was too conservative, and they love my Physical policy. They hated my social policies. Obviously a choice cuz I'm alone and I'm also

17:09 Have a very much support of the AC at. It would not as a self-employed person. I would have had a pair for the last 11 years. I did not think that.

17:21 It's actually, I'm just much more liberal than many conservatives are today.

17:26 However, when I was on the campaign Trail, also found a lot of conservatives who thought they were really super socially conservative, but they weren't, you know, I like how do you pick which children starve because their parents can't work, earning 725 an hour which is still the norm in Louisiana SNAP benefits. So I found a lot of conservative socially liberal that I thought I was, you know, I don't want children to starve people. Do talk to me more about that because I have I have no problem with social benefits.

18:20 I think there needs to be more rules and there needs to be more accountability.

18:28 I'll eat at the recipients and the programs themselves, but I don't think that there's not a need for them.

18:37 I mean, I ended up having to get on Medicaid, and I'm very grateful that I was on Medicaid, but I also didn't want to be on Medicaid and I didn't want to live on Medicaid.

18:50 And because I wanted the choices for myself to make for my own child of my own self.

18:58 So, I'm not saying that there's not a need or that there we shouldn't have those programs. I'm just of the mindset that there needs to be an ability on the recipient and the program itself.

19:15 Okay, I am going to post another question to chat. This is going to again sort of go back to Childhood. Basically. I should have Debbie asked this of Jody.

19:32 All right, Jody. What is your earliest memory of politics?

19:36 Feel like I can remember when Ronald Reagan was President.

19:42 But in all reality, it's probably more when Bill Clinton ran the first time and him being from Arkansas and that kind of being a joke.

19:54 Dad's Home, Arkansas. So, you know, it's kind of like wow, you know. So, how did your dad feel about Bill Clinton? So did that then transfer to you? Did you not like Bill Clinton because your dad didn't. So what did you what did you like about? Bill Clinton back then?

20:24 Back, then it was with a lot. There was a big, another big boom of abortion anti-abortion stuff going on at the time. If I'm remembering correctly. And I remember thinking then you know that it will want me to have a choice, you know, she should choose to get to choose whether she can have an abortion or not, but I'm pretty sure. That's the only reason I voted for him.

20:53 At the time.

20:56 And so what what made you come to the decision to to switch from pro-choice to pro life?

21:09 Added my own child and well, when I got pregnant at 17, my dad pretty much made my mother take me to the abortion clinic.

21:22 And when we got in to the abortion clinic, at the guys, I'm just sitting there and the doctors telling me.

21:28 What happened? How about blah, blah? And he's asked me if I had any questions. And I said I do and he said, what is it? I said, can you make? Can they make me do this?

21:38 And he said no, that's why I don't want to be here.

21:43 And he looked at my mother and say, well, I can't do anything.

21:52 But having said all that I do not and have never held animosity towards my dad.

22:00 After I also having children at when they were 17 years old, had a come home and told me what I told my parents. I cannot tell you how I would have reacted. I would have been very disappointed. I would have been very upset. I know how hard it was and I do not want that for them. I would not have wanted that for them. I'm not saying that I would have demanded. They have an abortion, but it would not probably have been a good situation.

22:34 There's no way I could have gotten rid of her.

22:38 And somebody, in my opinion, needs to speak out for the the children that have no choice.

22:47 I Debbie. Do you have any reaction to that?

22:51 I was on a really enjoyed Jody.

22:58 The part of your story where you ask the doctor at the clinic, if your parents could make you do that and the doctor said, no, you made the decision yourself about what to do going forward.

23:14 And what is just?

23:17 I'm sorry. I hope I get to know that there's someone knocking at my office.

23:23 Okay, could you excuse me for about 30 seconds?

23:29 I'm sorry. Now you're fine. What's your name?

23:32 Leslie Fletcher.

23:37 I'll put it on your person. How you doing? Jodi working?

23:50 Friend. You're welcome.

24:02 Thank you so much and Jody your recounting of how you had a choice to make and I thought that was just beautiful and and that you had

24:19 You hate, you were brave and you did something. That was maybe not what your parents wanted you to do, but you knew that it was, what was right for you in the moment. And that's exactly why I'm such an advocate for our bodily autonomy. We every single human being in the world should have that right to decide what to do with their body. And I'm so glad that you took advantage of that. I don't know. That worked out well for you. I had two children and I've had two abortions and my children are the reason why I'm pro-choice. So I feel like there's some common ground here and I found this more than offer, you more than more than more than once, or twice a month or more conservative friends that were like, yeah, you know how women are people and we reserve the right to make that choice for the ra 17 or whether we're 40, and we found out we're pregnant and I'm really glad that you had that choice. Thank you, but I

25:19 Did not do it for me.

25:21 That choice was not for me because of that choice was for me. I may have made a different choice.

25:29 That choice was for her. I didn't know her. I didn't know it was a her, but that choice was because I knew in my heart, there was no way I could do that to her. She didn't have a choice. I had a choice. She didn't have a choice about her and I'm glad that you had it. I'm very glad that you have that choice and idle and already had to show. No boys. I'm not going to bring another child into the world because it's it's tough enough already. I'm just I'm so grateful that we have no choice. I mean, this is one of the things about American politics that that gives me a little bit of Hope is that we do still have the choice. We still have our bodily autonomy.

26:16 Debbie was there any time where you did feel differently about that topic?

26:31 Cool. Alright, let's see. Let's see what else we can get into here.

26:37 That's it.

26:42 Gary, I hear something.

26:44 I'm going to paste this question into chat.

26:48 Here we go. Jody. Why don't you ask somebody? What are you proud of?

26:56 Wow, that's a huge question.

27:03 What am I?

27:06 That I survived.

27:09 That survived in that I'm kind.

27:14 I've been through a lot in my life, a lot of very difficult stuff in that. Should not be here today.

27:21 And I survived.

27:24 What are you most proud of Jodi? Oh, I'm proud of the little.

27:29 Baby, that's now. 24 teaching special education. With an a degree from LSU in Baton Rouge.

27:38 And the 21 year-old who's in college. And if we get him, graduated got a piece of coffee. I'm proud of my current marriage and the four-year-old that.

27:57 I never thought could be a special as he is cuz he's you know, you wait 16 years to have another child. You just worry about how this is going to go.

28:11 And that, you know, I made it, you know, I was bound and determined that she was going to have a life and she does. And my kids are very well-rounded and normal and it's a blessing. It's just a blessing.

28:41 Why don't you do you want you guys to some Debbie? Can you tell me about someone who has been kind to you and your life?

28:52 Yes.

28:55 Have a good friend.

28:58 And his name is Robert.

29:02 And I met him completely by accident about 20 years ago.

29:10 Adam.

29:13 He was.

29:15 Baton distressed sweetest, most accepting generous person I've ever met in my life.

29:28 And,

29:30 He's just a country guy from East Texas who works on the oil field and

29:39 As it is a very good, very conservative politically, but he treated me like I was most important person in his life.

29:49 And I was in college. I was working two jobs. Mom with two young boys.

29:56 And I was really tired and frustrated at the time and poor and struggling and irritable and

30:08 He washed dishes for us and he would cook dinner for us. So we didn't have a TV that has a TV. He would take my boys out for ice cream when I cannot afford to take my boys out for ice cream.

30:21 And because of the way, I grew up, I did not know it at the time, but I had complex post-traumatic stress disorder.

30:30 I've since been diagnosed and treated. I didn't know what to do with him, cuz he didn't treat me badly.

30:38 It is very uncertain.

30:44 You know what to do.

30:48 Stotra.

30:53 Debbie your, your internet connection is is kind of breaking up. Let's give it a sec and see if it was two words.

31:07 Your picture is back. Last name. Last name is Hampton.

31:25 Peppa third practice work. Okay. Yeah, so you were, I think it started to break up when you were kind of describing. Sorry, break up after you use the word unceremonious. Way. What happened on ceremoniously?

31:44 I did I didn't know what to do with him cuz he was just so he was so unselfish and sometimes to me and my boys and

31:54 Three marriages later.

31:57 He not reconnected strangely beardly. I'm, he reached out and asked 20 years later if you could take me to lunch and we've been together now for almost 2 years.

32:11 And he's the only person in my life including my parents or children, all of my friends, my best friend, everyone in it, is the only person I'm out in my life has loved me. I think.

32:24 That's the kindest person I've ever known.

32:28 So what about Jody? Tell me about the person who has been the kind of see you in your life.

32:35 I have been very, very, very fortunate to have had multiple people in my life at multiple different functions or times of my life. I should say, I can look back and see where God put certain people in my life at certain times for certain seasons.

32:57 The ones that come to mind, but in particular are when I was pregnant and we did Lamaze.

33:05 And, of course, we were the youngest couple in the group and for whatever reason we decided after we had our children that we were going to have a Lamaze reunions and four other mothers came with their children. And three of us were three of them. Others including me would be 4:00. So if I was little but five four of us stayed close for those first, I guess probably tell the kids went to kindergarten.

33:35 And they were older than Me chords. All My Friends. Have either gone to college or working. They didn't have children. So they couldn't identify with me.

33:46 But they were teachers, one of them was in college.

33:51 And they just mentored me and we're very good to me.

33:56 During that time.

34:01 And that's just one instance. I mean, you know, I have people like that throughout my whole life.

34:08 When was this class where they mostly women, third babies in, but we all do things as families. I mean, we probably did every Halloween for those first, you know, five years. We all kind of lived in different areas. So when the kids started kindergarten, they were all the different schools and we all had had more children, and we've all kind of, you know, gone their own ways, but we've always contact contacted each other. We've gotten together when the kids are graduating college.

34:46 You know, just to be like look there ground, you know, and you know, so it's not somebody they're not somebody. I talk to daily or even sometimes you really but it's when you meet back up with them again to pick up like it's been yesterday cuz I am thinking of something that you said at the beginning of this interview about gender politics. And I was wondering if you could reflect on what you said about the fact that you broke up with them because he was so nice. What you think of that says anything about gender politics and even how it manifests and somebody like, you, who I would imagine probably considers himself to be Progressive when it comes to gender politics.

35:40 Navigating relationships in the rural South where everyone has been raised going to church and web and have a certain role, and men have a certain role has been very challenging for me.

35:54 And why is that?

36:02 Robert and I are both atheist.

36:05 And I think that, that helps us have a more egalitarian view of each other. There are no predetermined roles as established by Yves original sin in an atom following and the Samson and Delilah stories and all the, the mythology that so common here that that really directly affects relationships between men and women. We don't have that baggage at the time. When I first met him. I was still in charge and ended up working for a large, Methodist Church here and still kind of bought into a lot of that.

36:46 Programming Jin, a gender stereotypes and whatnot that are so prevalent here and he did not.

36:57 And I didn't know, I didn't know what to do with that. He was in my kitchen washing dishes for me. I did not know what to do with that. Been raised that way. Now I get it. I understand what he was doing, traditionally masculine, but I also wonder why and what he wanted.

37:25 In return for doing that for me.

37:28 We didn't really want anything, you just being a decent human being and not because of fear of some, you know, Immortal damnation to hell. That's just because that's just who he is at score.

37:43 I Jodi you have any reaction to that.

37:47 Yeah.

37:50 It.

37:52 Yes. I don't know that I've quite wrap my mind around how to.

37:58 Respond to that.

38:04 No, go ahead. Well, I mean it just

38:09 I wonder if she's not coming from a place of anger or wasn't coming from a place of anger, or

38:19 Upset or something, by the way, she was raised and how she was. Formed two things that weigh.

38:26 I don't know. It's

38:29 Play my husband washes dishes. He's very manly. We both believe in God. I don't know that that really has anything to do with that. Really.

38:41 It's like I said, it's trying to wrap my mind around it.

38:47 What would you think about that Debbie?

38:50 Well, I certainly hope that you were raised in a more forward-thinking religious environment than I was. But religion played a huge part in gender roles in my household and men were expected to behave one way. Women were expected to behave another way.

39:18 But by my parents, I was expected to be both masculine and feminine. I was expected to go out and Hunt off the back of a horse and skin and gut deer and Fish by my dad. And then I was also expected by my mother to be a beauty queen and I was very successful at both.

39:40 And when you talk about anger, it's easy to reduce the feelings that other people perceive from me. It's easy to reduce that to anger, what it was with trauma.

39:53 When when you are,

39:56 From birth.

39:58 Brought up by people and I wasn't unplugged unplanned pregnancy by the way, and an unwanted child when you are programmed from birth, that your worth is contingent upon what you can for deuce and the image that you a project for your family in the church. And in society.

40:24 That creates a lot of drama. When the church tells her father that it's okay to beat you until you bleed that creates a lot of trauma. When they charge tells your mother and Society told your mother that you are supposed to stay in a marriage because it's a marriage under the eyes of God, even if your husband and I have the letter son from our church Elders, even if the husband kills the wife, she is still Tremaine submissive.

40:51 What results in a child is trauma? Like I said, it's easy to reduce it to anger, but it was trauma and I've dealt with it and I'm in a much better place. Now, mentally and emotionally, because I figure some things out myself and with the help of a good therapist who is also an atheist, only hope that that your, that your upbringing in the rural South was different than mine when it comes to gender and politics and things like that. There is the light at the end of my tunnel and I'm grateful for it.

41:25 Okay, speaking of light, at the end of the tunnel. Let me post another question into the chat here and Debbie. Why do I have you asked this of Jody?

41:37 Jodie, what are your hopes for the future?

41:45 My hopes for the future.

41:48 Art that people in power, stop trying to separate and pit each other against one another. I think they have an agenda and my hope is that we can get over it past it, see it for what it is, and

42:11 Band Together As Americans. That is my hope for the future.

42:16 Any specifics on which leaders and which people

42:21 Which leaders are dividing with people are being divided?

42:25 Well, I definitely think that

42:32 Tennessee break in trouble.

42:35 You start stepping on people's toes and they get angry. And so then you don't want to say anything. But

42:43 I do think that the Bible Administration and people that think like them try to keep us at odds because they don't want us to come together and fight against what they're trying to do. And I do not think what they're trying to do is American.

43:03 I think that they are a lot of them are bought by other countries.

43:10 And I'm doing their bidding for them.

43:13 And they keep bringing up the race card and the immigration card to divide people.

43:23 And it's working.

43:27 Why don't you ask a question of Debbie? Debbie? What are your hopes for the future?

43:36 How much time do we have? 7 minutes left? I have a lot of Hope for the future and it's completely unrelated to politics.

43:48 0 of my hopes are related to politics, My Hope rests in humanity.

43:57 Anacondas that we

44:00 Have evolved to feel for each other in order to live in Civilization with each other.

44:08 I hope.

44:11 That we become intelligent enough.

44:17 Two, like Jody said, exactly like 30, sad. See through the division and the partisanship and the, the dangly keys that are constantly. They are distracting us. From what's really important in life. The shiny objects. We've got to stop, we got to stop paying attention to those and start paying attention to each other. That's what I hope. I hope that human beings can start paying attention to each other. We don't our civilization will fall. That's the end of the story and I hope that that does not happen.

44:53 Are you at? We got about 5 minutes here? Let me see. What can we, what can we squeeze in before we go? I'm just going to pass this to both of you. I'll start with a Jody Jody. Do you have any regrets?

45:16 In my life. You know it. What's up with scratch that I apologize about that Jodi. Is there anything you've learned from this conversation today?

45:37 I don't want to say no, but I'm not after hearing Debbie story. I'm not surprised Debbie thinks the way that she thinks and feels what she feels would like to tell her or her to know that this is not trying to sway her in any way, but that my dog would not at all. Have the teachings of the church that you grew up in.

46:11 And I'm so sorry.

46:15 That.

46:17 God was ever used for such.

46:22 Situations that you were in.

46:29 Very sad.

46:34 Debbie. What about you? What have you learned in the conversation today?

46:49 I've learned that that sometimes.

46:54 People can come from two completely different spaces, different circumstances in life, but still have a terrible lot in common like Jody. And I do you need mom's made it work, still fighting and still going and still loving on other people.

47:17 Every time I have these conversations with someone who's so very different from myself. I learned that there really is still hope that we can peacefully coexist and this has been a great offer mation of that. Thank you so much, Jody for sharing and thank you, Debbie, for sharing your welcome.