Norman Sewelson and Cory Sewelson

00:03 Haim Corey Sue Olson, I'm 58 years old today is December 18th 2011. We're here at LA County Museum of Art, Los Angeles, California, and I'm here with my dad.

00:17 And I am Norman's Olsen age is 89 as of two days from now 3 days from now December 18th is today 2011 is the year here in Los Angeles, California Museum of Arts and things.

00:40 Okay. So now you're like one of the few people I know that was actually born here in Los Angeles and back in 1922. What was it like, you know, I was a kid here in Los Angeles as a kid. It was it was really nice traffic was that's the main thing today is traffic streets were literally vacant streets were you did that say stream of cars cars were an occasional thing that drove all the streets even in those days in the 1920s was aware by 1925. You know what Los Angeles was like I've been many places is a little kid in the car and the things that we had were marvelous transportation for street cars on Hollywood Boulevard. I don't know how many people know that we had three cars on Island Avenue down to Santa Monica Boulevard and crisscross the city of Los Angeles in October Blue Hills on out to the beach. So are you what are you playing with your

01:40 News on the street and wave Transportation like that or when we when we were older we would get on the streetcar for a nickel go downtown and radio one. We are 19 years old we did that the street so we don't we lived in I lived up in the Hollywood Hills. And so I had lots of friends we were isolated from the main part of town glial Hollywood and such Dion life. Leisurely and Hiking was plentiful for us kids to burn off our energy and it was a wholesome life and we have lots of things to do. We would play marbles instead of texting and we would do all kinds of wonderful things. So today is totally different. So you went you in hiking is it kids cuz I'm thinking when we were younger brother and I that one of the things we always did was go up to the Griffith Park on the trail up there on those are like great times that I remember. Well, that's my father just needed that trip and your grandfather. You're just be to hiking he was a great hiker and

02:40 So I think when I said hiking in the Hills, I mean, you know Street swallowed up all through the Hollywood Hills. So if we wanted to go somewhere we didn't take a street around to get there. We hiked across the hill and went down the aisle. We did it. We were rugged we climb trees on the way. We pulled gravel and dirt down just to climb the hill. We would all these crazy things but that was the way we did it. That was our playtime from morning till night with it. Sometimes take guy we didn't take lunch is with his sometimes because fruit trees everybody had fruit trees and we could grab apricots or peaches or whatever that was their plums name it. So we never went without sounds like the does fruit labels off the the California produce sounds like the ideal, California. I'm doing a pitch. So we just we just found these photos that I had never seen before that had you with some like your teenage friends and I didn't know who any of those kids were in you easy. I just started to tell us a little bit and we didn't really give time to

03:40 Going to it too much. But so so for your friend's nose ears, like the I think they're a little later like maybe High School. No earlier earlier while I had friends when I was still don't see how we lived up in the Hollywood Hills to pay by the American Legion off of Highland Avenue is the street called cameras, and we moved up there in 1929.

04:04 And we were in the eyes in the hill. So all my friends were kids, you know, if nine 10 11 a really no younger than that 789 in those days because I was born in 22. So by 29, I was 7 years old. I'm not sure if we're talking about the same kids cuz that you started talking about like this when you were looking at the photos. You said all these kids were in the acting and film families. I was kind of curious without that was really later those those I had a buddy who I met in junior high school at Bancroft High School Junior High School, Los Angeles and Las Palmas his mother work for MGM. She was a makeup artist and threw him and his mother was very liberal. She was a single parent and Mac had everything he wanted and mainly friends and that was where I acquired all the friends I had was through that relation.

05:04 My buddy and he had a number of friends that were young kid actors. I don't know that you would know that you would not know who they were. But that we had Freddie Bartholomew name is pretty well know what even now it was a good child actor. I had put you in your Wyler. We had Bonita Granville. They were all of the Judy Garland are these are the kids that were coming up through the the early stages of learning aircraft. They're all going to Hollywood Professional School off of Hollywood Boulevard Solera never sort of the beginning in the early days of Hollywood because by that time it was 1930-31 little later than that was the time were talking about which is around 36 and 7 1936-37. I'm just kind of curious if you ever did any acting yourself for performing then cuz I was noticed that during the years like you you like being in the / 4.

06:04 Roller being that the docent at the air museum or something like that dessert was there any did you have any training? No, I think I think my mother influenced me that and my family life on mother's side of the family as you know, it was my great my great-uncle your uncle still abroad Greta Garbo to this country and through my young formative years when she used to visit us at my grandmother's home. I sort of just there was just an osmosis that seem to take place because you know, and I used to always my dad would take Motion Pictures. He was a picture of Carol the late twenties. He was in taking all movies. And so whenever a camera was pointed at me out of ham it up like that and that's kind of where that all started so I didn't mind I was very shy but yet I had a tendency to be precocious and a sofa camera was on me. I could sometimes new stuff in eventually. I did not find myself.

07:04 Too uncomfortable on a stage and there are few times in my life, but not professionally no.

07:11 So on a totally different line of questioning thought I never really got the story of how you met mom. Where did you meet? My mom? Are you sure? Yeah, my father's mother my grandmother who I was living with at the time always try to fix me up with a blind. She always have to be the last thing you'd ever want was a blind date that my grandpa and I swore I'd never let her do it. Well, maybe being turn the rock over maybe I'll find a princess on her, you know, and but anyway, I didn't really know you she didn't know she was European. What did she have a sensitivity for an individual's personal? They didn't just didn't know anyway, but it was through her.

08:09 That I meant three ladies that were sisters that had a big party and your mother was at that party when I met her and so I started dating your mother and very shortly after we were today. So we got married. So how long did you date before you got married or out 7 months 8 months?

08:28 Sort of short by today's standards Navy who knows have there been anyone else like where you in love with someone else in high school? Yeah. Yeah, maybe every day was a little of love of my life everyday well every week,

08:49 So not long term we're guessing here. So I'm fairly short, but then but then you settle down with Mom eventually so somehow shoots it out differently than

09:00 There are some qualities in her that were that came to mine and that's the result of it you and your brother were are now here you go.

09:12 Norma Sue Olson

09:17 So when when you are there was a time I was out. Okay. I always noticed obviously how mechanically inclined things you always did with your hands all that really technical work. And I know it's like everything from models and toys to to building real airplanes all this. I mean, it's just always amaze me how many different kinds of things you knew how to work on. So when when did you work and lock it was out really early in the in your marriage that was good for me cuz I was so lucky. I went to Lockheed during the summer of 41.

10:00 And so that put me at 18 how I say, okay, that's where that was before you went in the Navy or But to answer your your your question. Where did I get the ability? That's an interesting story cuz I never thought of it until you just mentioned something that brought something back a time. I was a little kid whenever my father would go away on business. I would always don't ask me this. I would all I'll tell you you go I would always ask for him to bring me something back because he's always bring me toys some of my life in some I didn't but I always said Dad when you come back you want to bring me something bring me something that works up and down. I had a fascination with her legs, like elevators and erector set and things I could put together that when they would work. They would perform some operation. That would make it go up or bring something down. And that was always what I used to say and then I found myself and we were kids.

11:00 We we we we look up in the hills dirt was our favorite play toy will dig dirt and then I learned how to shore a tunnel up that I would dig in the dirt. So that the dirt wouldn't fall back down into what I dug. I learned how to shore up stuff stick boards around it. So dirt wouldn't fall in the wall. And I sort of had a just a natural inquire as to how to do that and the kids would start doing their thing. I can't do that. It's going to fall in it. Show them how to do it at school. So that was sort of and I always had a thing for me and my dad would blame each time a more advanced set from the very beginning, you know, two things you put together with a Bolt & Nut two things that I had to study for my 4 weeks before I can put it together, but I ain't nobody was there to help me Casey my dad would he had a a gift for that? But I would do it on my own and barely do I have to ask for help. Like I figured I would figure it out.

11:58 Yancey's lizard it seems like you you were either doing something like that as a hobby or for fun. And then at some point, you know, it's like the model airplane hobby or trains or but then eventually you actually got into a line of work repairing antique clocks and maybe you were I mean, you're so good at all those things. I just kind of made me wonder if all the other things you did for a living that had to do with either sales or business. If you ever really would have preferred to just always be doing something mechanically more there was an interesting point to to pull out altogether there was a time, you know, my father and I have a lot of differences and there was a time prior to World War II when I was still alive 16 or 17. I was looking my father never said to me Norman. I'm going to put the stuff on the side for you. So you can go to college. He never mentioned this to me and he was a very poorly educated man College never came into his

12:58 I never heard it was a kid. It was always what do you want to go to learn to type? You'll always have a job and I like an idiot. But

13:13 I have I lost my point which one to follow talking about doing things mechanically it if you would have preferred looking back if instead of doing sales and other kind of straightforward business as a living if you would prefer to stay working mechanically with your hands that okay. I think I can come back now out of my train of thought.

13:43 I like doing things with my hands. I was able to do a lot with them. I also had this need to please my father because he was a businessman. I sort of chose that direction and I kind of let the other skills just lay dormant while I pursued eventually after World War. I went into the end of the business world. I learned of the carpet business. I learned bookkeeping accounting and I followed that line and I was at work from the several carpet companies and that's where I began to earn living and I was quite good at that and that was something I never knew I could do but I learned it the first job I had was with Sears Roebuck and another floor covering the apartment and I I was slowly learning the trade. So that was the the traditional way to go to get to work.

14:43 And have not had a college education. I pursued areas of sideline courses in school that would Aid in my ability to deal with what I was doing which was decorating color paint how these things reflected with the way you pull colors together in a room how you correlate carpet colors and textures to a room setting and I began to be able to do that quite proficiently. So that was the direction. I wipe it in my spare time when I was married with your mother we learned we would get a lot of things to craft work in the house. I thought we would find old furniture and it was beautiful eBay but deteriorated and I would set out and strip wood Refinishing painted or stained or whatever had to be done and I learn to do a lot of those crafts that was outside of the mechanical.

15:43 I fly like I always grew up thinking that you could fix anything or pretty well. Anyway, I I I think those are great perception. You are always busy with some project like that and I always feel really grateful that I was able to learn how to do, you know do all those things from you watching you work? Cuz I showed you how I didn't think you were out with something. Let me help to write and my father never ever showed me how to do anyting you are he always criticize but he never showed me and that's all I lost interest when it came to things that I wanted expected of him because he just wasn't there. He was more concerned. What was I going to be that enhance his world? He was more concerned as what I be a doctor will I be but he never he never led me the direction. I didn't have the sense to leave myself. I needed I needed that kind of a bush, but it wasn't there. So I kind of had to find my own way.

16:39 Apartment

16:45 Say that again.

16:50 A fun no. No I said he never had a fun to for me to go to college. He never puts money aside for me. He never suggested to me that I should go to college until he didn't encourage really any Jenny didn't provide the means now do you know I thought never occurred to me that I just was going to work and you were like the kid that was thrown in the deep end and learn to swim. What are all right. Yeah. I always think the dream was all you got to have a house with a picket fence and that's what that was what I pursued I had a house with the picket fence.

17:25 Good job. So, okay. So this so when you went I was still curious about Lockheed. So you you were building P-38 Lockheed right the yeah. And so, how did how did you get that job? Where did they hire you because you were good the Cavaliers and it was so it was pre pre Pearl Harbor summer of forty-one. Excuse me.

17:50 And my buddy and I the same buddy that I grew up with Mac Reynard. He was also electronically talented what he was doing a lot of things and ham radio and the first kid that had a radio two way radio on his bicycle which nobody even knew y'all didn't even think of that but he had it anyway, but go back to Lockheed we decided in the summer of forty-one right after the schools let out for summer. Why don't we go to work get a job at Lockheed and maybe we can work at summer and I will go back to school at the the end will have a summer vacation will earn a lot of money while they're paying $0.35 an hour no taxes. That was good money and things for cheap dinner was good money for kids. And so we got there and of course the we decided you know, what by the end of summer school was coming up.

18:50 Hey, why don't we stay another let's let's let's stay until summer vacation and then we'll go back to school. Then Pearl Harbor was December 7th.

19:00 So there we were I stayed at Lockheed 454 years Spears and I want another baby.

19:06 But I was put on in the defense industry at that time. You came in at the lowest level because you were trained by Lockheed to rivet how to put rivets in an aeroplane. And that's what they put you on you learn to do the basic fundamentals job really and metal together. And when you when you showed proficiency at it, then they moved you up to something more complicated and pretty soon. I was up on the Big E Line where the airplanes were being built in parts of the airplane were being built and that was what I wanted to do because that I got the whole airplane to work on. I just a piece of an adventure in another room, but I can see what I was doing. So that's that's the evolution of the way most of the priests killed before they came in, but I was hard to face. I think the beginning pay with something like $0.22 an hour.

20:05 Not good, but in those days it was good the weekend that we got overtime and that was double time and triple time if you work Sunday, so that wasn't too bad. You made a few bucks. So where are you working at Lockheed? Another time? There was a point where you were working all night job when I was I was really young cuz I remember that you would wake me up. Whatever was like late in the night probably like 10 or something. I was already asleep to have like a soda and just talk to you kitchen table as it was when I came back and that was when I was just before I left cuz I work the midnight shift.

20:40 I work from no. No, I worked at the swing shift, which was from 6 in the evening and I got back at 12:30 and I work for 6 hours my lock me up Lincoln Mall at work. I woke you up when I came home. That was like such a cool thing. I thought that was like I thought I was like, you know grown up cuz it's Kevin was still asleep. Right? I got to get up and have a soda with my dad. I thought that was so cool. It was cool. I got that soda with my son are both of you. So so you were still working second shift at lock a right? Well what I was doing actually I have started a little business on Beverly Boulevard of carpeting and I have a little showroom right on the property where Cedars of a lion live on Beverly Boulevard and I had out there was a whole bunch of Little Stores there and I have little storefront there and I was trying to sell carpet out of that store Rehoboth a storefront and the only way I could

21:40 Manage to do that would be the work nights to bring in the income while the little business was getting started. So I worked at the store. I came in at 8 in the morning in my store and I stayed till 2 then I ran home and had a quick lunch and then I was at Lucky by four on my side my shift started. So as I got so I'm 100 actually work from 4. I work from 4 in the afternoon till midnight.

22:06 So I was in 8 hours to run it, right? Yeah.

22:09 Sol airplanes ours is like this running theme through through your whole life and I was like and then what you were like in your 50s you finally got a pilot's license and a little bit of a little bit before that was that that must have been like so cool for you when I fail my airport and I

22:32 Got a flight instructor and I saw I don't want to learn to fly.

22:36 So he said, okay and then those days it was cheap. You can learn to fly for twenty bucks an hour today. It's over a hundred bucks, but then it was twenty bucks and a cup of coffee when you got through with a flight instructor before sit down and talk about the flight. So I did that and I saw it then I did.

22:53 Annabelle doll ever since I've been with you. I did a lot of little bit fly. I didn't do it as a total of vocation.

23:03 But I had periods of times will and I flew for Pacific Bell Telephone a little bit. And then most of the flying I did was flying Museum of flying in Santa Monica when I join that I have to tell you I think it's just so amazing how you've always found it without a lot of will save money resources, but you've always found a way to get to do what you really love to do and end up in that museum experience. I thought was just genius because you know, you're volunteering you're doing something good for the for the whole museum and taking people around and showing them the history of that but then you got to meet all these guys that have these vintage airplanes that let you fly them. That was just wondering what they might reply but I got flight time and all kinds of aircraft. So I was delightful and although they wouldn't they work long hours. I give you it was an hour here an hour there.

24:00 Eventually, you don't have that will add it up and time time in the air over a 10-year. Yeah, the museum opened in 89 and I promised to no one.

24:13 So I have a lot of good time there as well as well as the most fun airplane. You got to take out the pit special because that was the airplane that down Madonna who it who did Air Show with two other guys in the same kind of airplane. They did a three-year-old play the show and if it's special is going to a biplane open or closed cockpit that basically cockpit of plane and but a biplane biplane to Wings to the house and he was a test pilot and it was an Air Force officer and testing at Edwards Air Force Base and so he was an accomplished pilot and he was the one he had just retired from the Air Force when he was when he took the job at the Museum of flying Santa Monica is the director of the Museum of flying for that. Of time, and he had a spit special there and he used to always tell me a normal to take you up some Sunday nights a lot when you're ready.

25:13 Let me know and all of a sudden then off we were and he showed me how to do a lot of the aerobatics learn. I doing flips and rolls spins recover. And then we stay fly right off the Pier Santa Monica, you know further out a few miles out, but you know, I'm always said this was fun, but God, I hope it stays together. But now you know, you always have that behind you the back your head and now he was an accomplished pilot and I had no problem everybody his family flew.

25:43 Very cool. So, you know, I never thought of that till just now but so in in like sixth grade I had to give a

25:52 Did they give you a choice of like three topics to do a presentation on or just explain something and I think it was all I remember is one was how to throw a curveball in one was how to explain how a wing has left or something. I was the only kid that explained about the left everybody all the other boys explained about a curveball. I don't know where I would have got that. You got a probably from you. I also I also did a term paper on the history of airplanes in flying saw in junior high song. I don't know if you even ever knew that but I think I'll call your influences that comes back to the question that I couldn't answer before ya. Will you ask me how why did I what was the decision? I made mechanically a tour business and it was the turning point because prior to World War I was just out of school and I was reading some of the magazines and there was a school and engineering school that taught flight Instrument Repair. That's when they had all the lizards.

26:52 Cockpits they don't that's all glass. I like you, you know GPS but those days you learn how to repair an altimeter. You learn how to repair a gyroscope for the bank turn indicators your to all the instruments on how to repair them. And I told my dad I'd love to go to the school that they want $500 down and I have to live on campus for the semester. Can I do that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay and I'll do that for you. And when the time came he wouldn't put up the money and I was so disappointed and I was heartbroken and that was the last time I really asked my father for anything to help me with and then that's when I turn the business because I figured for some reason that was a choice I made but then I learned a lot of Lockheed I was able to extend my mechanical ability at Lockheed for for 3 years. And then the Navy was part of that the mean of the board a ship its mechanical whether you know it or not you you're working guns. You're doing dick work on you doing all kinds of sea.

27:52 Mechanical on the ship to maintain it. So all through the War. I had all the funeral that to do. Okay. Definitely. No, I'm just the funny. Yeah. I don't know what what what happened. I asked you that you want to talk about

28:10 Is there anything you don't have any more questions? I might I'm not at all. I'm slipping. This one. Is it back to me? What did I miss you? I like to tell you about the Bulgarian. I thought about the happiest day of my life is when I bought it and the next happiest days when I sold it.

28:29 Story of that though. I'd like to I remember telling you what I had a Sunday party before people to go on the boat with me. Right pyramid up in the over there new and it had rained all week prior to that that Sunday that we were that I was going to go out and I had the boat on a trailer in a garage not knowing that with all the water saturation the garage door that folds down became saturated with water in the weight of it cause it to Sag and I just bought this boat and it had a beautiful windshield on it. Just gorgeous all mahogany and framed what time it was beautiful. And so I've got this my date with me at that moment and I'm backing out of the garage pulling the trailer and I no sooner get out and there's a drop on the driveway to reach the alley and as soon as I just got to the high point to for the dropped they'd sagging door caught the top edge of the windshield and ripped all wood glass.

29:29 At first I heard it I said what was that and I'm looking out of the car windows by driver that will work with what was behind me and I backed a little bit more carefully and crunch crunch and Flanigan whole windshield went before I realized what I've done. So I cleaned up all the glass took all the water out of the lake with no windshield. That was one time and the other type of course, I just got it repaired if we're back out to the lake and I don't know how to get the windshield to get the windshield repaired and I had to make it it wasn't my fault. I conjured up a great scheme. So I tell the insurance company. I have the boat at Lake Pyramid. We are on one of the little Islands out on the on the side of the lake for the and I said this big tree branch was over the over the boat when I brought it up onto the sand, you know, the kids were playing in the tree swing it on the branch and the branch broke and knocked off the windshield they paid for the windshield.

30:29 My first case of fraud dad, you know, this is being recorded. I'm just trying to remind you this. Well, that's basically you you really like the

30:41 I think getting out there on your own right? I mean that's kind of what flying was about that's sounds like what the Boating was about holding flying. I had all the toys motorcycle. I love my motorcycle when I rode so do you think this goes

30:55 I don't know. I'm just I'm not sure where I'm going with this is is it you think you you're like happiest when you're kind of on your own sometimes. They're like to be independent. You think that comes from being an only child and they might be from a lot of under partially. I mean I had to do a lot of things alone. I didn't have Playmates or not. I mean, I didn't have anybody close in the house to play with I mean it in the sense, it seems like you kind of get inventive and kind of make your own stuff happened, you know early on and you seems like you've always liked I was always attracted to that kind of stuff too. I like mechanical things are planes are mechanical. What's more mechanical in an aircraft mechanic a little motorcycle. I mean, these are all machines that work and I like that you and the Machine and no answer at all and I loved it loved it.

31:46 So I need that stuff was with gray trains. I Love Trains. I know it's true that as you will know all the toys all the toys now, but it does it does seem I guess I hadn't thought about it and other similar and then it's kind of the mechanical thing and it's but it's also getting it getting out in a way in just you and that thing and is an independent.

32:10 It's the story of the excuse me. It's the story of

32:18 I'm doing something on your own and being a full control of it. Nobody's going to tell you nobody tells you what to do. It's order releases you from your daily pressures. When you work for a company, you're expected to be doing certain things that they have to be ready for customers at a given time. Everything is on a time. So I call you a bunch of clock you do this you do that none of that stuff and getting out of an aeroplane. And it put all that behind you get on the motorcycle. You put it all behind your total focuses on what you're doing if that moment and and there's a risk factor in those things and I guess I enjoyed the little bit of living on the edge, but I was very careful and what I did and I'm here and everybody's got a scratch living proof ran a motorcycle for 50 a hundred thousand miles and I never got a scratch on me or the bike.

33:09 Have a couple of funny incidents but never scratched anything, but you know, it's all part of the experience and that was a good portion of my existence at those days. I find myself now being much confined, but I've learned to try to adapt to it.

33:29 Yeah, but you still find a way to come out and take the dog for a walk and let God do the doorway from the group and get away from the group and get on the cruise on the scooter when I can weather permitting. What's the dog? He's a sight to say on the scooter with me is funny.

33:48 Great dog.

33:50 It's a good chance to to the talus time to talk to each other. I've heard some stories. I never really got from you. I think I told you but I'll go into it again lyrics when you when you live by yourself in a residential retirement. I mean your room when you finished for the day going to your room and relax and check everything else out. But if you had to do it alone, I'm sure you would go crazy because that's what these people are doing there when I see him but here I come in there with this little dog and from the time I got them then once he understood the relationship and became part of it when you spend all that time with with your animal and you have no other distractions that dog is with me 24 hours a day. I know as much about him as he knows about me and we can sit there and

34:50 Look at each other in the eye not a word said he'll stare at my face right into my eyes when I look them right back and we just sit in silence and look at each other and the communication is gone. It is a remarkable thing just remarkable. I never I've had dogs and which you know, we've had them in the family, but never that kind of an experience. It was always able to become open the dog is wagging its tail yet. I'm on that good boy, and I love you go out. And you do all the things our family has to do in the dog is a buddy on he's hanging around any good deal, but this is totally different when you have a dog and you're the sole relationship between you and the dog and the dog in you and it is quite unique. It is your name is that it's either I obviously he's got a huge importance to you and your in your life. Now, was there any other pets that you ever had that you ever felt there's yeah, there's something interesting going on the first dog that I really was emotionally involved in those when I was a little boy and it was a little Boston Terrier and my daddy likes

35:50 Dog, and he was a sweet dog a little black and white Boston Terrier and she was a delightful. She was a little high-strung and my mother's sister my Aunt and her family have a Boston terrier and they were friendly with each other except one day her dog was eating in his dish.

36:13 And my dog must have gone over to close to it and they got in a fight and my dog chewed a hunk out of the shoulder of that the hog, and so my dad my mother was scared of the dog because she did another she bit the other dog her sister's dog. And my mother was a gme. She was too delicate of the lady to deal with this was too scary for her to have a dog that bit something so with the insistence my father and I went to a veterinarian and gave the dog back I gave it away. And that was at her that that was a heart breaks to me. I didn't want to do that. And so did I got this dog is many times those feelings that I had it that separation come back to this dog now and it's really it really is bonded and I know exactly what it is because of that was very traumatic and it's the same with me all my life.

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37:16 Well, I'm glad you have them cuz you obviously he's a good companion greater Antelope. Great. All right.

37:23 That's Max Max the dog Maximilian meet Maximilien Max.

37:37 Influenced or indirectly influenced by your dad. Are there any other things that he kind of pass down on to you fix things repair things work with my hands around the house or otherwise, I feel like I learned, you know how to how to take care of a lot of things like that on from you or aren't you know paint a wall repair a fence like you I know men that I've been involved in the can't do if they don't want to paint brushes. They don't they wouldn't know what to do with it. I love it. I love that. I have your you know old craftsman tool box that you obviously had it lucky because it has all the Run nostepinne decals that you use in aviation assembly and all that and you know that you put on it. I love having that as a

38:32 Inherited I'm glad I use it all the time cuz I know you do but I think about you know, where the word my understanding of how to use tools came from that you taught me all that stuff furniture refinishing in our house when I when you you and Kevin grew up there and you saw me do a lot and when you ask questions, or I was doing something I'd call either one of you over. Hey guys, come take a look at the see how I do it if you remember. Yeah, I do and I also you know, I mean I made my living as an artist that is designer and I think that you weren't conical background obviously really help you have a turning point in your life with me when you did from a sports you were going to go into sports wasn't it? And you got a scholarship because of a basketball or something and then you did you change your whole

39:24 School of Neptune to art or science and you flipped around and you did a flip flop in the winter to the Arts.

39:40 And here you are at happens. Yes like me retired semi I'm totally not in any way. I think I think we're all wrapped. Are we wrapped you? Well, are they are you got all the questions you wanted everything you wanted to know about your dad you got and then some

40:00 Sit down.

40:02 I guess that concludes this doesn't.