Mumbi Carter and Grammy Nora

Nora (N) and Mumbi (M) share why they wanted to participate in today's experience.

N shares more about her daughter Hannah and the disabilities that Hannah lives with, including cerebral palsy and autism. N says Hannah has impacted her family in really positive ways.

M talks about how her race affects her political views. She says she grew up in Ohio and later joined the All-African People's Revolutionary Party, which M says taught her how to love herself. M says being a Christian has helped her learn how to love humanity.

N says she refers to herself as a "recovering Catholic".

N says she grew up in a diverse neighborhood in California. N says by contrast the diversity in Idaho where she lives now grows very slowly.

M recalls being shocked by how beautiful the landscape in Idaho is. N describes how the politics in Idaho have changed since she first moved to the state. She says she is grateful for the environmental protections that were put in place in the seventies.

M says her father was a conservative Republican and she and her siblings rebelled against her parents and went in the other direction.

N tells M what it is like to be "a blue girl in a red state". She says she tries to be herself and model to others that she is a good person with different views. N says she sees misinformation as one of the biggest problems. She says she mourns the fact that there is no shared set of facts to have a conversation over.

M says she sees much of today's rhetoric as stemming from racism. N emphasizes the importance of respectful language.

M describes the stress that racism brings and how it robs opportunities for joy and productivity.

N says more about how her family goes about supporting Hannah and how they manage fears about group homes, residential settings, and other forms of living.

M says more about her career as a healthcare administrator. M says she decided to stop working during the pandemic.

N talks about the demographics of her community in Idaho. She talks about indigenous populations that live in the area. N tells M more about her career in special education and her children.

M talks about her two sons. M says one of her sons is struggling with mental health. She adds that the behavioral health system sucks. N says that her son lost a couple of friends to suicide.

M says trying new things such as baking and swimming brings her joy. N says being outside and spending time with her granddaughter brings her joy.