Robin Hickey and Mark McIntyre

Mark McIntyre (MM) reflects that many differences could be solved through conversation. He asserts that, being the most right leaning member of his family, he engages in many. Robin Hickey (RH) avoids politically charged conversations but would like to have more.

MM lists political figures he admires. RH expresses appreciation for a couple of George W. Bush's policies.

RH talks about the values her husband has and the values he inspires in her. She credits him with kickstarting her belief in more liberal philosophies after a conservative upbringing and an "apolitical" phase.

RH and MM discuss sending their children to diverse public schools and the lasting impact they feel this has had on them.

MM expresses frustration with the money Democrats pour into schools without what he perceives as operational changes for improvement. He talk about his job as an environmental regulator and reflects upon unions, regulations, and the Environmental Protection Agency.

RH and MM discuss the pros and cons of regulations on businesses.

RH and MM discuss unions, wealth disparity, social mobility, power, and the bootstrap mentality. RH names forces at work stacking the odds against people.

MM reflects on an organization in New York which provides affordable housing, and therefore a pathway to the middle class, for residents.

MM and RH discuss race relations, particularly since the killing of George Floyd. RH considers poor living conditions, extreme poverty, and economic and educational reparations.

Both MM and RH express amazement at their commonalities, acknowledge their differences, and assert a desire to continue the conversation.