Yoshio Murakawa and Dina Pecceu

00:04 My name is yoshio. Murakawa in Japan. They would say morikawa yoshio and they call me yo and yo and I am 76 years old and today is October 22nd 2016 and we are in San Francisco at the public library and I am the father of Dina who is sitting across from me.

00:34 My name is Dina Peko and I was born Dina. Misao. Murakawa. I am 46 years old today is October 22nd 2016 and we are in San Francisco, California and I am yosias daughter.

00:54 Okay, Dad. So I just wanted to start with a little bit of background. So where are my grandparents your parents toshio? And we sell murakawa from and what are their stories just kind of briefly Gocio America was born in Hawaii in Waipahu, Hawaii in 1904. I think it was like, oh I think February 1st of 1904 and where his parents my great-grandparents will working on the plantation the sugar Plantation in Waipahu and papa. She or he was the first born and then I think there was a second daughter that was born and maybe even a third and then they returned to Japan and they went back to the to the town of Iwakuni Japan where their family home was at and where the the family

01:54 Add a lumber yard and so Papa was born in Hawaii was raised in in in Japan and then in 1930 he returned to the United States in and what had taken place in Japan was that he was working with his father with the lumber company and financially I think made a bad deal on building a public school in Iwakuni and finances went so too sour for the company. So there was a falling-out between my father and my grandfather and my dad left for this country and I think right before he left Japan to come over he began to drink heavily because he was depressed. I think he was in his twenties and he took about to a Honolulu and they wouldn't let him up because he they didn't know that he was an American citizen. So the way the store

02:54 I was just at the captain confined or on the boat at at Honolulu until they found the woman who brought him into the world of the Midwife in 1904 who gave him who brought him out in 1904. So then he got a card. He got a US citizen or tear US Territorial card and then came over to at first he worked in Hawaii got a board Honolulu worked in Honolulu for a year at a grocery store carrying sacks of rice and then came to California where he open up a little business on Franklin Street in Oakland. Don't know why he came he he came.

03:46 Because he thought it'd be better than staying in a while. I don't know why he may have had relatives. I think there are other Merle, people in this country that there's some very similar names in Los Angeles and they're from the same Village. So I think he may have had some cousins here, but I'm not sure but he came because they are all coming and most of the Japanese people who immigrated from to the United States at the at that time were from that Province there from yamla what you can and forgot Waka and Hiroshima and so he start up a little business and you started out on its own. I remember

04:26 I heard the story from Dickie. Adachi's father when my dad passed away. Mr. You came over to the house just you know to talk to Mom about my dad passing and he told me the story about in 1930 wengie, John was here starting out his business. He opened up a little grocery store in the middle of a bunch of other jobs. Are you ready with diply? So then he couldn't sell the groceries. So he opened up a little fertilizer little a little business and then he people would advise fertilizer either so he decided that he was going to go out and sell to the north. She's out in Hayward and Fremont and the Japanese friends with but you can't go out there cuz that's that's where the white people live in G child. Who was the old country bumpkin from Japan to get ruler at sell fertilizer?

05:26 Find self he was a bachelor, right? So then he was living in in Oakland on Franklin Street. And the relatives in Japan. I heard the story when I live in Japan know how this took place that they were very concerned about him that he was going to end up being the spatula in in Oakland and being a drunk so that they thought that he needed a wife so miss smarty Hoshi. His sister went to the county seat to find out what women were eligible in that area that could come to the United States, but they had to have papers to come in. So they so Kyoko Mori how she told me the story that she found three eligible ladies are young women that could come over to the United States and so she checked out two of them and then she went to check out Mama and enables Misawa Morocco. She went to check her out and she told me the story that she was at The Farmhouse talking to

06:26 My grandparents, you know my family and was talking to the mister and missus Sockeye and Mama wasn't there yet. She was working out in a rice field. So that money hack into Albertson said that Grandpa walked out on the death of front front of the house of yelled out running toward the farmhouse in and my auntie said she was all grubby and dirty because she was at work in the field and that's when she said we're going to pick her cuz he's young and strong and he works hard. Your problem was kind of lazy.

07:05 A good a good match for goodbye because she was born in 1915 in San Juan Bautista and to the name now, but anyway to stop by the family. Anyway, he came over around 1890 something and got a name slips my mind. Anyway, the first Sakai came over and he came over I think is like an almost like a contract or as an indentured servant here. I'd like an indentured servant and he worked on a railroad now yoskos thinks that he worked in a railroad in in the Denver area. And then when the contract was over, I think two years he moved to the Watsonville area cuz that's where the people from his area. That's weather immigrating to us.

08:05 He went there what you knew some people and he started a little tenant farm and he got a places in San Juan Bautista. So he was there. I'm not sure if it was by himself or whatever, but then he got his picture bride the on the socket side way back in this must be in 1905. So they shipped her over from from Jana. I and she came over as the picture bride your grandmother's grandmother and her name is Kimmy was her name so she came over so she was a picture by so in our family we have two generations of picture brides and so she came as a picture bride and they were the other brothers from the Sockeye family. This would be your great uncle's two or three of them came over to and they're working.

09:00 Together on a tenant Farm because you know Japanese could not own property with the illegal for Japanese to own property. So we have that picture of the there on a wagon and there's my grandfather and his brother is in a little children and that picture was taken in 1919. But that's the year that the whole path of the group returned to Japan to Japan. I'm not sure I think the grandfather went back because he was chilling out and he was ahead of the family anyway, so he had to return to the original Farm in Japan and they were coming over in those days not as immigrants, but as I'm just a Japanese term for it, but they came as immigrants to make money and then go back to the keep us the ones who came back later. But but you're our grandparents they returned to Japan. They never returned. They never returned and there were running a farm not to knuckle my our cousin.

10:00 Said that with the way the story goes is that they had a small farm back in 1919 when they went back, but he went back with some money even though they're only making nicklin times over here. But the currency of the time will the American dollar was so much stronger than the Japanese sin, but they bought more properties so they expanded the farm so I know farmers and doing okay when the Morocco site went looking for watch on Batista 1915. They returned in 1919 to Japan so she was raised in Japan.

10:44 Until 1934 so she was 19 years old and she was working on the Family Farm when the murakawa side contracted now, this is what the stew way The Story Goes about the contract.

11:00 That they decided that this would be a match and that she could go to the United States or come to the United States cuz she was a citizen she was born here and she maintained her dual citizenship.

11:11 So one of the Merle, cousins was the bicycling at would negotiate the contract or the the marriage. So what I had heard in Japan was that he would go over there and with a little cousin demurral, cousin and he discovered that bachchan's mother your grandmother like peanuts so he would go visit him and he would carry little bag of peanuts. Then she would go over to the farm house and just so you would sit there and talk with with Grandma life and they would eat peanuts together and watch him figured that she said she knew right away. She's that's it. She's so I'm going I'm going to America for a bag of peanuts.

11:53 What he wasn't very happy to leave make sure she would not happen. She was she cried all the way and so this is Monica. She when I live in Japan told me the story. She says that they they they had the agreement and they got married in 1934. So I must have been like maybe February I waited here that he had never met his dad never met. And so she moved from Jana I in 1934. This must been fair board. She must have moved from Jana to Iwakuni to stay with the meural call family and she spent about a month or two months cuz we got a whole series of pictures that they took with her cuz she was now going to be the Nissan in the family see because it means that since jiichan right is the oldest

12:53 Morocco family, he's a torn out and he's up is it called a torn out of the home care? So he's the leader basically of the group and so since March I was marrying him. She was going to be the oldest sister two objects on siblings. She was over there and it took a bunch of pictures so they spent 30 days and she saw the place and and she said it was pretty prosperous. He was a big Lumber Company a lots of property in Iwakuni. So then it was time for her to leave for the United States owe a Chiappa said she took her by train to Colbert to put it on the boat and she was mama was crying. She don't want to go so so mrs. Moana how she got on the boat with her because the boat was going from cold but the Yokohama, so she said she went from Corbett to Yokohama then she got off and then step mom.

13:53 Angel Island and she was only there for two days and I'm not sure what what transpired but you know, I mean, they knew that she was a US citizen so she could come up and she came on a boat called chichibu Madu in 1934. And so I Googled chichibu model on the internet and that boat was sunk during the second world war in a converted into a transport ship or whatever but it was sunk during the second world war by the Americas. So I was talking to Natasha Gilbert Temple One day about this cuz her mother was from Harbin China and when I mentioned to her that that Mama came from Yokohama, I was joking with Natasha Nice as well and Natasha is what my mother came from Yokohama to so I asked you what what ship she said she looked it up.

14:52 Tomorrow

14:56 All these immigrants coming to do a Russian, you know and sewing patch on came she met. Jiichan so they are already married so that you can get married without seeing each other. I don't know but it was called Shawshank your phone. So it was done legally in Japan my pussy it was but Mama wasn't sure because Mama wasn't sure if they're quite married or what so in 1938, they went to a Japanese Bishop here and they got legally married here and I have the paperwork on that too and the Buddhist monk that did the service was a right-wing conservative Buddhist monk on Franklin Street.

15:55 4 and G John R and has a little business and I think Mama became a seamstress she would help. Mr. Sheen Taco see mr. And mrs. Shame talk. We had some kind of business and that's how they got to be good friends, you know and all the good friends. So she was there what she didn't get pregnant for a couple years and and but she want to go home, but my mama used to say she want to go home. She was saving her money to draw.

16:29 The family the family methods that she would save money in a coffee can money to go back? When were you born first? The cop was born was born 1938 April 16th. And so she was a first born second born on April 12th of 1940 and then and you know at the time G John knew there was going to be a war because I found this out when I was living Japan that she's missing more than how she says that they would get and communicate, you know by letter and everyone knew there's going to be a war and Angie Chacon used to write back cuz if there's a war Japan. Cannot win a war against the United States United States is much too strong and much to industrialize, you know, anyway, so then

17:29 The Water started on December 7th of 41 and Katya was born December 6th right before so anyway, Aji John and Bachchan. They named Brooke Castillo tattoo means to win so they won Japan to win the war that was because they lost a war since they were more Japanese. They weren't really Japanese-American. How did the Japanese Americans feel about that? Because a lot of the Japanese-Americans were more related in the more they felt more American table saw splitter in the Japanese Community cuz you would have two older issei's who came the 1890s or 1,900 stage never went back and then you had the children were born here and they're very American and they were born in 1915 cuz it's eboch on has relatives that were born same time.

18:29 He was born rolls to welka lived in lived in Petaluma was born the same day. Same time as Bhajan and stayed never went back to Japan except for a short visit. So they're two identical people but one is totally Japanese than the other one is totally American.

18:51 Call Kay.

18:54 Name of the day that I know part of this is for Dina's kids, right? I want to get a sense also of who are these people right?

19:03 Describe a little bit Yoshi out like your parents who are your parents? What kind of people they were what kind of people were your grandparents and then and then we can kind of come back to all right while we spoke will go back to the grandparents on.

19:20 The Sockeye side and they were farmers in this little town called shingle model. It's a little Village Inn in the Jana area and our grandfather. He was born about 1875, but that that's a chi family. The old one did not have any sons so that for them to continue the family. They had to take bring in a Yoshi from another family. And so another man came over from another family came over to the Sockeye family married into that family and took on the Sockeye name and that's how they that's how they continue the line in Japan. So the basically they were farmers and you know, I didn't know them except

20:20 Did meet my grandmother Kimmy when I went to Japan in 1966 and she was a small short little lady and you know the day when we used to have pictures of what we would call her the bird cuz she had a big nose and she look like a bird.

20:40 She lived in Yano house that we went to in the house. We went to with a big Farmhouse deform rice and vegetables and things and then when they came to California and worked as tenant Farmers, they also grow strawberry self. And in with the Watsonville area is noted for strawberries. So when they return Japan they were growing strawberries in Japan and they would call the strawberries in Japan Watsonville strawberries.

21:16 Right and the other thing about the people from Jana when they came over and they farmed in San Luis Obispo that that whole area and Watsonville in Gilroy. I read that in 1880 that that group they introduce broccoli into this country or an to this area cuz broccoli is not native here broccoli is from it's an Italian vegetable, but it was a Japanese for first started grow it but I think they picked it up from the Italians that were already here. So so that's that side and put them basically there are the farming class G shot side is mixed veggie John's mother is from a samurai family.

22:05 And

22:08 And I forget her name now.

22:11 Anyway, I got the name someplace, but I forget her name, but but she was considered when I went to Japan and was and was living during the 60s. She was considered one of the brightest ladies and I want to most Innovative persons in the area. She when she she was had been in Hawaii with our grandfather working on the plantation. Then they returned to Japan in 1906 and they were living in Japan. She apparently either made or the help develop the first concrete post office in that area. So she was building places. They used to import from from Korea and all the places that stuff but it was it was a big company and so it was you know, so there was a it was a working-class family, but they had some kind of Summer I rude.

23:11 Vegeta I didn't do well enough so they sent him to America. I'm not I'm not sure if you drank too much, but I had heard from Mr. Modi you and I would I live in Japan. I heard stars all your father. He used to be involved in business and he would follow his grandfather his father around everywhere and take notes and try stuff and he would try all these stupid things of biscuit equipped laundry what was ever going to become of them?

23:42 Didn't he have some ideas here that he tried to start up and different businesses try different stuff and you don't have to the war wait. We had a little North Koreans think so so ji John thought that he could make money with sago palms. So I remember 1950 he ordered all these sago palms from Okinawa, but they were so expensive. Nobody would buy it you and your two sisters during World War II you were interned in the internment camps, but you were just a little boy and what can you recall about? How life was the way bachata music on told you it was during this time and hard no.

24:42 Part of this is what's been told me and then what I remember, but my understanding is that the war broke out on December 7th, and of course people are scared and shocked because they knew something was going to happen to the Japanese people people just sensed it. And first it was a lot of animosity against Japanese people Anyway by time is it by car from before there? They couldn't buy probably the shower get into swinging communities and they're isolated for isolated with the Chinese and things in in Chinatown, but they knew wasn't going to be good and then it began to develop and they would get order set. The Japanese Americans were living to close on the west coast, you know to what they considered a war zone area and that so they like it was designated a certain areas so that if you were here there was a possibility of being incarcerated so many family at the shigematsu time David shigematsu stop.

25:42 Remove lot of people are moving out get McCall move in Henry while they got locked up anyway, but they would go to place like Fresno or that was far enough. So they didn't intern the families who went to Utah. They weren't in turn all the people are not in turn. Right and they were different forms internment and there's a group of people Keiko Yamamoto. They were part of a group where I missed a water who would who had some money contacted somebody in in Utah and and said that look where you least has some property and I will bring a group of people that were colonized it and we'll work on it. So there are no I'm not sure a couple hundred people they packed up and they formed their own colony moved to Utah themselves. Caicos part of that group group is called Greeley or doesn't you know, but this isn't it. It's on it's on the internet anyway, as I remember

26:42 Well, the weather story goes is that we all went to First Tampa racetrack. We got everyone got locked up at the racetrack, and I don't remember what

26:56 Oh, okay.

27:02 Novelas place by tractor what I had heard it was real dirty. And and my momma told me the story mama said that when you know, they they all were given the mattresses and they were just like a the covering in a mattress covering and they had to take the straws and they had to fill that they make their own mat mattresses. And and then she said they had lived it a horse stall and you know the where the where the horses are, you know, they're half doors, you know, so she said they were at the job. They was 50 head out right from and they will look at each other and why my car

27:45 What Lisa had a sense of humor specialized born at 38 42 so she will be back was 5 years old. So she would have remembered a lot of stuff a cop with a newborn. So then we were there from I think April of forty-two to I think.

28:19 I'm not sure October. So October 42 and then I I remember some things because I remember like they're being on a train and then we were on a train and we end up in the desert and now chichon told me this that when they were riding on a train and going across the Sierras, you know, you had to keep all that the blinds down. He couldn't open them up and all the Japanese people real paranoid that they thought that they're going to be taken out someplace and killed in a so when they got two in two parts of Nevada and Utah the guards will say okay, you can lift up the blind. So she said they looked at the Box blinds and they just looked around there's nothing but stand you know, though it during the high desert. So they thought they know they're going to execute us out here, you know.

29:19 Is a townhouse call Delta? What was the internment camp called? It was called topaz be called a topaz with another name for IT central or whatever but you know, there are a number of different camps are tennis camps and then lately we've been doing some research and find out their many more camps you like almost like 20. There are a lot of Japanese dissidents that were actually sent to the different camps to our prisoners, you know, cuz they were No No's, you know, what happened was in 1943 while we were in this camp and we're a block 13. Remember we went to the camp. We went to the camp remember the tree.

30:04 So everyone was had to fill out a form and it was question 27 and 28 and their number different questions, but basically was a loyalty oath and I can question 27 said something to the effect that if you were called upon would you would you voluntarily join the u.s. Army in a go to war for the United States and the second question I said that do you forgot your allegiance to the emperor of Japan?

30:45 And so many America Japanese they put yes. Yes, they would be there willing to go to war and they would give up their leaves to Japan.

30:56 Yosko told me she heard from Gigi on the Gigi on Market. Yes, no and well because he knew he wasn't going to get a jacket is too old and you had three for children by then. I'm going to go anyway, but yes and then know that he would not forgo allegiance to the emperor of Japan Oh I thought

31:21 Has no no but anyone that put narc Mark, no was considering no. No, okay. So then they rounded up the nose into camp and I'm not sure if they want voluntarily or they were forced to but they had to go to too late. So they they were going to move all these Japanese people from our camp which ended up being a pro-american camp to a more Pro Japanese. So and that was more like a prison wasn't it? Wasn't it? A little bit was a little bit different but it was more like prison there were military tanks and things there are you know,

31:56 So ba John told me this story and I don't remember that they were all packed to go they have packed their stuff from to be moved from topaz 222 Lake and but she was pregnant and she had to go to the to the the the camp base to have yasco and so she would be asked was being born and then by the time she got out they stopped all the movement from topaz to too late because you're having riots act like they're having demonstration Sunrise so they they decided rights. They were going to keep us there. So we stayed there so Bachchan and jiichan they named Roscoe. Yes. Yes, Yes, we meet cheap because she was born at the hospital for nothing.

32:44 What is the right so we could end up being cheap to?

32:54 Why didn't realize all these names have meanings does your name have any meaning? What does yoshio mean? Your show means Godly son is so we stayed at topaz, but then I could tell when I speak into go to Nursery School that we were different than other Japanese people there. He was treating we we were different cuz we were more Japanese most of the other people were more American and they spoke English better than Mama and Papa and Mama Papa, you know, they behave Japanese either way they bow and their way they carry on their very Japanese and so we were I should say Outsiders cuz you know a lot of love than these days until they were fine to us, but I remember I had to go to

33:45 Northeast school and I would go over there and all the teachers they spoke English and stuff and I didn't speak any English and I want to go home and I

33:59 But you learned any way. I learned a little English you have you made friends, you have fun good memories of playing at the camp with my friends a little French in so I must have been three four and five years old playing at the camp and and then people think old people would they would buy cigarettes and they would smoke cigarettes. You could buy cigarettes at the PX. So we would take pieces of paper. We roll them up and we protest still recalled meat the barracks.

34:46 In the next block. I'm not sure. We're in Block 13.

34:54 Call Bennett Flat River Inn block 13 in one of the adjacent blocks. The father's got together during the summer and a big The Dugout this big big holes made if they made a swimming pool for the orchids while our block we didn't have a swimming pool. So what day I forgot to do it wasn't me? Cuz I was too small, but I was just following the group we decided that we were going to build a swimming pool to self. It was a big washroom in the middle of the in the in the block that I so we shut all the doors that we flooded. If we remember us playing in the water was coming up in the washer. Right and then it was electrical outlet. And then it happened. I didn't get in trouble too small. I was just little the following.

35:48 People around and then that then toward toward the end of the war of the guards left, you know, there were guards at the gun Tower and in in the adjacent block. It was a little like a schoolyard what we used to play and so we would go over there and play and then the guards had let had left the gun Tower and so underneath the the barbed wire fence in a someone had taken a saint and moved it out. So we could crawl underneath and a v the Phantom get on the other side and we would crawl up the gun Towers real small and we climb up and grab them and I remember the gun Tower had one missing plane get the top and I've ever try to get all my love for you could get on the Guntown you could look around all through the whole Camp. You know, I forget the what looks huge to me was that was a huge water tank water tower about maybe about a half a block from where we were

36:48 Empacho. Ugh, she would go over there. She take me to she and she would have a bucket that we will go over to this water tower and Mama used to clean up all the birdshit off about the concrete and put it into the bucket and I thought it was her job. I thought she was a cleaning woman that he was so she would bring it back to the little little place and she had like a few flowers and and and a sunflower so she would I think she was using as fertilizer toward the end. I mean, it's there was still restrictions, but you could leave and there was an older kid who lived on an R Block but another apartment away. The family was from Alameda boys name is Haji. He was older than the not so he was going to take me fishing one day. So we made a couple bamboo poles and we walked out the gate and we went

37:48 To these flus or these water Aqueduct, so I don't think there are any fish in there, but we pretend like we're

37:57 So we dropped our lunch and I would lunch went into the water and we couldn't swim so we couldn't, you know get a lunch. So anyway, we left that area. Will Walking on the road back to the to the camp and it was a truck on by a bunch of Japanese people and there were people from our camp. They were working at hog Ranch in a right outside. So they picked us up and they took us over to the hog Ranch and we had lunch with Melissa and then then we walk back and then then it got dark. I remember and Papa was so mad. They're going to have a sheriff come out and let you know there was like a potential therapy to come looking for us.

38:35 But we can wander again. Do you remember like how the military personnel interacted with you? Do you become friends or no? I don't remember any of that.

38:48 I don't remember any of that sell your family stayed in the camps for the entire time that the cut to some people were released early people released early, like some of the younger people that were educated or that could go to college the it was a Quaker the crackers came in the end of you people that talk to him they made Arrangement and they send them to the east coast to go to college or to work sites or whatever and there are quite a few people who left but we had a we didn't have any place to go because you know, even even toward the end member by change each and they only talked about going back to Japan. They did not want to stay here. Tell me a little about World War ended what happened what happened was

39:29 I remember what the toward the end of the war inside the camp when when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Japan and I remember the kind of the Gloom that kind of feeling among the people because a lot of the people in the camp there from Hiroshima. So their relatives were being killed in a were killed in, you know in Japan but anyway and end the war was over in August.

39:59 And then we were supposed to leave but we don't leave till October because we had no place to go. We're basically displaced people and I don't know if momma was joking or what but mama said when the authorities called him in to talk about okay, you going to be leaving and where do you have someplace to go? You have relatives to what should we do? Mama told Mama? I'm not sure if this true or not mama said they'd like to stay there because for children that didn't have a job. So as long as you could feed us we would like to stay here. But anyway, he said no you had to go.

40:35 They provide free. What did the government give you to help you get started at the gas. We got $25 or something. I'm not sure why he didn't have work. So how is it going to be this family? So they said that they would they got a job form as a janitor at the train station or something and jiichan says he is not going to go clean up other people's pee and stuff. He's not going to do that. I'm so anyway, we got out and I remember all the trucks with being packed and people are leaving and I remember what we were waving. Goodbye to people as they left on trucks and we were probably one of the last group to leave. So they that we we got on trucks and from Delta. We went from Delta to Salt Lake and then that part I remember this long train ride the train going and going and then stopping and I remember going over the buy the the the Salt Lake and I don't know I think it was it's a normal trip is like a day and a half.

41:35 Felt like we were out there for a whole week for the train kept stopping and I think what was taking place is that the the freight trains and military transport have priority on track. So we had to pull over and anyway took us out all that time of going over the mountains and over any we came back to California and we ended up in Hunters Point. They put us into a Barracks at Hunter's Point. And then that's the first time I saw black person. I told me that story I call that girl Niger She chased me around that's cuz I stay I heard in the barracks. I didn't know what they were talking about. You know, we had the we lived in a barracks and how does point in the lower barracks and up on the hill where all the the African American families that had immigrated before and during the war to work in the shipyards and they were living up on it up on the hill and we would all go to the same grocery store in the grocery store.

42:35 Over here in dark places here in the African Americans lived up there so they would walk to the grocery store and they would walk by the place and I've never seen black people before and I remember this one girl. I was in the shower of this big place where we live with all these in a thousand Japanese people and I was with cocktail and I'm sticking my head out the Parlor and I talked to us as you know, I wonder what would happen if I called the girl in Niger has you better not do that. I said why should try cuz I didn't know what it meant is Brian could hear the word inside the barracks called out, you know, hey Niger just bought that girl looked at us. She came running toward the building and I took off and ran down the hall and she chases down the hall in the building and then I went up to Mama who was doing laundry in the laundry room.

43:35 But you know you live with a group of people Japanese people who just got out of you know of camp and then for many of them, they've had the Prejudice from before or whatever and all the black people there are in and you know, people have to be able to look down on somebody I guess. I don't know but they would use the word. Do you know the N word so I can experiment at one time?

44:02 Well, we have one minute left dad. I have so many more questions so we'll have to come back. But is there anything what Frank actually had a question to ask you? Why do you think your son-in-law is the best in the world. Son-in-law is a very good provider. He was any work super hard. He loves those kids right? He's a good daddy. And now he's kind of a disciplinary he when he's kind of strict. Is that which is good because you're kind of loose about the whole thing.

44:36 You know, but but Frank and Frank is just a very decent hard-working person who wants and he wants a lot for those kids. He want those kids to achieve you. And I love those kids.

44:52 Yeah, the good guy is he wanted to interject that why just one more quick thing. What is the most important life lesson that you'd like to leave with your grandchildren and learn how to swim?

45:07 Well, hopefully they'll do that and they will learn how to swim better cuz they're not very good swimmers be part of your life and we'll talk more about it later. Thanks, Dad. I love you so much. Okay.

45:21 All right.