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Harry Frieze and Phillip Journey

One Small Step conversation partners Harry "Jess" Frieze (75) and Phillip Journey (64) discuss guns, pragmatism in politics, family businesses, the American Dream.

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Luke Catlin and Jaclyn McAnarney

One Small Step conversation partners Luke Catlin (49) and Jaclyn McAnarney (35) talk about fearing what we don't know, the wisdom of being uncertain, patriarchy, being a true patriot, and "following the money."